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Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by danilocampos »

NickPollard wrote: post #136
danilocampos wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So why aren't we reading articles saying 'Sales of Samsung USB cables banned' This almost borders on the deliberately obtuse, here. The USB cable doesn't exist in isolation, a decorative piece in the packaging, to be displayed on your desk as the proud owner of a Samsung product. The cable plugs into the tablets Samsung is selling . Only those tablets, no others. The cables serve no other use. These tablets have a p…

Or they could design a new cable? Apple are asking them to change a whole load of things - colour, size, proportionality etc. Why not just ask them to change the cable? Let's put it the other way - if someone came out and said they had a patent on some part of Apple's power cable - be it a design patent or a technology one - would you say that Apple would have to stop selling iPads? Or just stop selling those particu…

> Or they could design a new cable?

And a new port. Given the scenario where that cable is banned, they'd need to replace the port on every existing tablet they've sold. This is a linchpin.

The point is that this isn't something that exists in isolation. This is evidence that suggests Samsung is comfortable ripping off Apple, and did so. Pretty blatantly. And so if they did it here, you think they didn't do it elsewhere in their industrial design?

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by danilocampos »

WayneDB wrote: post #138
danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

Do you really think that, without the USB connector being nearly identical, that Apple wouldn't be taking them to court?

The point is that if they rip off the cable and port, which is easy to detect, it's hard to believe that they stopped there when taking inspiration from the most successful product in the space.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by Androsynth »

Am I the only person who doesn't care? Apple produced a well designed piece of hardware. It is superior to other designs, so therefore I would like my tablets to have that design, regardless of what the actual OS is or what company built it.

On a side note, HN is usually strongly against patents. The argument is that it is all about execution and patents only retard innovation. Why is everyone up in arms when it is Apple getting copied? They innovated and now the rest of the market is absorbing that design into their products, because it is superior. This is good, for everyone.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by ljf »

danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

The cable is a PDMI cable, an industry standard developed by ANSI/CEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Associatio... ), my Dell Streak comes with an identical one too, as do certain Android media players (Slacker G2).

Info on PDMI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI Image of Dell Streak PDMI: http://www.images.technologyking.co.uk/25032011/hgggg.jpg

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by wmf »

ricardobeat wrote: post #55
brazzy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some did: http://www.2imgs.com/6c941c36e5

The HP Slate didn't come before the iPad, in fact it came to market 10 months later. Neither did the Joojoo, unless you think Apple developed the iPad in one year's time. This doesn't look like an iPad to me: http://www.rainbowskill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/hp-50...

The HP Slate was shown three weeks before the iPad, so it couldn't be a copy (although at that point the iPhone aesthetic was well known).

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by [deleted] »

ljf wrote: post #144
danilocampos wrote: post #102

I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

The cable is a PDMI cable, an industry standard developed by ANSI/CEA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Associatio... ), my Dell Streak comes with an identical one too, as do certain Android media players (Slacker G2). Info on PDMI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI Image of Dell Streak PDMI: http://www.images.technologyking.co.uk/25032011/hgggg.jpg

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by sbuk »

ianstormtaylor wrote: post #109

This article is fraught with frustratingly-incorrect use of the word "design". The author continually mistakes "design" for visual appearance. "Apple never designed the iPad. They undesigned the tablet. They focused on creating the simplest form possible. Every single decision is based on usability, readability, comfort, and focusing your eyes on the content itself." That's exactly what design is: finding the problem…

I was going to post more or less the same thing. I'd add that if you read any book on software engineering you will see the word "design" used repeatedly, more often than not referring to the process of solving a problem. This is also true of other engineering textbooks. Design is about solving problems therefore design is engineering.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by rickmb »

phaus wrote: post #122
rickmb wrote: post #61

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What I see is an excellent example of how tablets before the iPad did not look anything like the iPad, and those after have clearly been inspired by it. Then again, this kind of design-blindness doesn't surprise me. There are constantly people claiming that certain laptops and phones are equally well-designed as Apple products. There is clearly a large group of people who cannot see the difference.

So basically you are calling out people for their "design blindness" while at the same time you imply that no competing electronic device has ever been designed as well as anything Apple has ever made. I like Apple products too, but some of their competitors make awesome products from time to time.

Name one.

Please, this is a serious question. I would truly love to have an Android phone, an Android tablet or a Linux-compatible laptop with the same design and build quality as an Apple product.

I've pretty much given up on manufacturers that clearly don't want my money. Audio and tv electronics, no problem. Hell, I can even get beautifully designed alarm clocks, toasters and even friggin' designer humidifiers, so obviously Apple hasn't cornered the market on talented industrial designers.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by sbuk »

kingsidharth wrote: post #49

Three of my favorite design quotes: "Best design is least design." "Best design is invisible." "Give less a chance."

http://tenprinciplesofgooddesign.com/ from Dieter Rams. Jonathan Ive's and by extension Apple's approach to design expressed in 10 simple statements.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by freemarketteddy »

I agree with some of the author's argument but he seems to be missing the logical fallacy in the use of the word "undesign".

Thats equivalent to arguing that a flat screen tv is obtained by "undesigning" a TV from the 90's and thus there is no real innovation involved!Simlarly a laptop then was made by "undesigning" a desktop computer!

Yes an iPad is what a tablet should look and feel like but it is so obvious because Apple pointed these seemingly "simple" things out and they absolutely deserve credit for it.

If you go ahead and "undesign" a Boeing 747 airliner and make it work as efficient and smooth as a bird shouldnt you deserve credit for it?

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