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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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- Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. - There is no need to have exchanges involved in that. - ENS has a token, but is not required for people who just want to buy a domain (they use ETH) Quit the senseless FUD

> Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. I think “They” once forked Ethereum to prevent DAO losses.

No. The "They" that did the fork only managed to do it because there was a majority consensus agreement to switch to the forked chain. If the majority refused to follow, there forked chain would have died or become a thing for the minority. Just like EthPOW vs ETH POS.

Seriously, why is it that every discussion about crypto has the same bullshit talking points? Do you guys have a list of "standard basic list of BS arguments that I will throw at the discussion just to see it sticks"? Is it ignorance? Is it malice?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Unpopular on HN, but I just don't see a problem with Google having my email, for what they provide me. Almost unlimited uptime, global redundancy, best search experience, storage all for free. I'm ok with the trade off for now. Its just not worth the hassle.

What made me switch from Gmail is stories of people losing their entire account overnight with no possible appeal process due to an algorithm deciding there was suspicious activity.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Isn't the point of the article that as a non-user of gmail you can't opt out of giving google all your email? It's nice that you get a service for providing your emails to google, but what do I get?

Idk the ability to reliably communicate with a large segment of the world population?

Why can't we mobilize for the ability to reliably communicate, AND avoid monopolistic privacy-eroding nonsense?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Is it known that domain registrars are better than GMail in this regard? Not asking sarcastically, but I had my domain taken over by registrar(not released to public, just registrar took control of it) after few week of notice when auto renew failed to charge my credit card, and my credit card was working fine elsewhere. Also many registrar like Namecheap cancelled subscription for Russian customers during this invas…

Now you know why there are still some people that still take "web3" seriously. It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Seriously, ENS and Handshake alone should be enough of a reason to silence all of those who keep repeating "but blockchain has no real world applications".

a better alternative to email is to use public key cryptography for authentication

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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"The problem is you can lose access to your emails at any time." "Use web3 - then when you lose access to all your emails it's the system working as intended!"

That is the kind of tired, cheap, wrong argument that it so easily debunked, but "skeptics" still keep using. Let me see if you really interested in a healthy debate or just proud of your ignorance: do you know that when using web3 for domains , you'd still be running the email servers that use the traditional protocols? You won't be losing any of your messages. You'd still be authenticating against a traditional ser…

You're right, you won't lose access to your emails, you'll lose access to your address, which really is the bit that I care more about - losing ability to log into sites and services is what really scares me about losing my email.

But now the important question - how does a web3 domain name solve the domain problem any better than just buying a domain, especially considering that "Permission to fail" is being touted as a web3 feature?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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The difference here is that people from the UK voted for losing the right to renew their .eu domains.

This is irrelevant. Any country in the EU might do the same. I would hate to lose my domain because of this.

Again, not the same thing. British people didn't lose it. Nobody took it away against the public's will. They voted in favour of getting rid of it.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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> Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. I think “They” once forked Ethereum to prevent DAO losses.

No. The "They" that did the fork only managed to do it because there was a majority consensus agreement to switch to the forked chain. If the majority refused to follow, there forked chain would have died or become a thing for the minority. Just like EthPOW vs ETH POS. Seriously, why is it that every discussion about crypto has the same bullshit talking points? Do you guys have a list of "standard basic list of BS ar…

Don't attribute to malice what could simply be ignorance. Right now, people need to pit in some serious time (upwards of 100 hours minimum) learning about true decentralized open technologies like bitcoin, so I think uninformed ignorance is far more likely than malice in almost all cases... unless the uninformed person stands to profit from his or her ignorance.

I'm not sure Ethereum is anywhere near as decentralized and bitcoin, because the Ethereum foundation and the large stakeholders (now that they have the miners the boot) appear to wield a huge amount of power.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #199

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Now you know why there are still some people that still take "web3" seriously. It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Seriously, ENS and Handshake alone should be enough of a reason to silence all of those who keep repeating "but blockchain has no real world applications".

And that's why web3 frustrates me to no end. Decentralized services were common in the "old" internet, web3 just takes than and adds a layer of ponzi and speculation on top of them. If bittorent was invented today you'd have to buy into some pyramid scheme to use it. Beyond that having a trusted third party does suck for some things, but at least it means that I have a recourse if something goes wrong. With cryptocra…

Tell me how decentralized services allow applications to be permissionless, censorship- and sybil-resistant without a blockchain. I will make both of us rich.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #157

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> It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Until the owners of the network run away after extracting all the value they can, or they decide to fork it because it’s in their best interest, or they end it because it’s not as profitable as they wanted, or your exchange decides to halt trading so they don’t lose money, or, or, or.

- Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. - There is no need to have exchanges involved in that. - ENS has a token, but is not required for people who just want to buy a domain (they use ETH) Quit the senseless FUD

> There is no "they" to fork anything.

They literally forked it just last month!

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