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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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For me, owning my own email domain is far more about control than privacy. I currently use some MX and SMTP trickery to forward all of my email to Gmail, effectively using Gmail as my 'email client' - but because the domain is mine, I can change that without too much headache, unlike if I were just using an @gmail.com address.

How do your have your outgoing mail configured? Up until recently Gmail would let you send email from another domain, but they seem to have shut this down.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... and then stream their online gatherings live on Twitch Streaming a public event on twitch vs on-demand warrentless police access to on-prem cameras? Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

Are you offering to pay for them to host their own streaming solution and volunteering to handle technical support for users who have trouble with it?

This gotcha-game is tiring. People don't have to like Amazon to realize that they and YouTube are the only practical game in town for free live streaming.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... and then stream their online gatherings live on Twitch Streaming a public event on twitch vs on-demand warrentless police access to on-prem cameras? Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

That isn't supporting Amazon financially, that's meeting people where they live in a world you don't control.

This is like saying I'm a hypocrite for using crosswalks if I also believe that our cities shouldn't be dominated by cars. If it's true, it's not true in a way that's interesting or useful. It doesn't suggest my views are insincere or without merit. Maybe my views do suck, and maybe the EFF sucks too, but you're going to have to do more work to establish that than pointing out that we're imperfect beings living in a world that may thwart our intentions. You'll actually have to engage with the substance of the argument and the facts in dispute, and make the case that there's a deficiency there.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

Are you offering to pay for them to host their own streaming solution and volunteering to handle technical support for users who have trouble with it? This gotcha-game is tiring. People don't have to like Amazon to realize that they and YouTube are the only practical game in town for free live streaming.

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

Are you offering to pay for them to host their own streaming solution and volunteering to handle technical support for users who have trouble with it? This gotcha-game is tiring. People don't have to like Amazon to realize that they and YouTube are the only practical game in town for free live streaming.

Debian manages to do global streaming for DebConf every year using only libre software and VMs running Debian at cloud providers. Seems like this is their setup using ansible:

https://debconf-video-team.pages.debian.net/ansible/simple_s...

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Related:

Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10229928 - Sept 2015 (53 comments)

Google Has Most of My Email Because It Has All of Yours - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7731022 - May 2014 (103 comments)

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #11
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For me, owning my own email domain is far more about control than privacy. I currently use some MX and SMTP trickery to forward all of my email to Gmail, effectively using Gmail as my 'email client' - but because the domain is mine, I can change that without too much headache, unlike if I were just using an @gmail.com address.

How do your have your outgoing mail configured? Up until recently Gmail would let you send email from another domain, but they seem to have shut this down.

I have my domain hosted on a service that provides web hosting and email. I configured Gmail to pickup that email and merge with my gmail mails. I can choose to send as either my gmail address or my personal domain address. I just tried it now and it worked just fine.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #12
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

Are you offering to pay for them to host their own streaming solution and volunteering to handle technical support for users who have trouble with it? This gotcha-game is tiring. People don't have to like Amazon to realize that they and YouTube are the only practical game in town for free live streaming.

Well, I have been a donor for a long time, so yes, technically I am paying them.

And your second statement is false; other orgs have successfully had online gatherings on BBB, for example.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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I have actually been receiving much spam from gmail addresses lately and have considered banning the domain altogether. > I was surprised to find out that my friend Peter Eckersley — a very privacy conscious person who is Technology Projects Director at the EFF — used Gmail I find that the EFF does this more often than not, like how they also criticize Amazon for giving police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... a…

It’s pretty hard to distinguish spam accounts by domain. They skip domains regularly. Much more often than actual humans. If your spam filters are only able to filter by domain you might want to find some more sophisticated filters.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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I have actually been receiving much spam from gmail addresses lately and have considered banning the domain altogether. > I was surprised to find out that my friend Peter Eckersley — a very privacy conscious person who is Technology Projects Director at the EFF — used Gmail I find that the EFF does this more often than not, like how they also criticize Amazon for giving police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... a…

It’s pretty hard to distinguish spam accounts by domain. They skip domains regularly. Much more often than actual humans. If your spam filters are only able to filter by domain you might want to find some more sophisticated filters.

He's saying the @gmail.com domain is useless to him, because it he gets so much spam from it.

I could certainly see that being the case, and if you can block the whole domain and whitelist the few contacts you actually have, it probably could work decently well.

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