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Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to fairly choose students

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Post by themitigating »

paulcole wrote: post #130
wincy wrote: post #123

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Which is why there’s so much violent crime in conservative bastions like Philadelphia, Chicago, New York, and Baltimore.

Think of it like climate change. The weather today is the result of poor decision making 30, 40, 50+ years ago. Additionally, politics and policies exist at the national level as well and can influence what happens in even liberal cities.

This doesn't include the last two years, which I'm sure have gone up, but the crime rate for most types of crimes in NYC has gone down significantly for the last 50 years.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

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Post by pseudo0 »

themitigating wrote: post #188
FredPret wrote: post #92

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Maybe I'm in a bubble, but every anecdote I read online in the past year or two is someone royally fed up with liberal politics. On Twitter, Reddit, and real life, the majority of people keep complaining about crime, drugs, homelessness. Sounds like a perfect environment for a generation of conservatives to get elected. Hopefully they stay close to the center for a long time.

I'm angry about the loss of abortion rights federally, the rise of Christian nationalism, politicians lying about election fraud, people calling their enemies pedophiles and communists, politicans not knowing what those words mean, and facism What is this center you think we are going back to because all I see are far right politicans and the end of American democracy

It's weird how the "Christian nationalism" meme has been pushed by the usual suspects when US church attendance is at an all-time low, and religious influence on politics is a shadow of its former self. My guess is it's a mixture of obsession with The Handmaid's Tale, and the need for an alternative pejorative term that can be applied to black and Hispanic conservatives.

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themitigating wrote: post #199
thegrimmest wrote: post #144

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The usual ones: effective policing and punitive justice. It works pretty well actually if your goal is to keep law-abiding citizens safe without much regard for the fates of criminals.

Policing is the responsibility of the state. Are you saying Republican led states have less crime?

Policing and crime are fundamentally local concerns. The main predictor of exposure to crime or likelyhood of police encounter is zip code. Some (local) policies are more effective at crime reduction than others. Among the most famously effective is the broken windows theory of policing. The basic principle being that arresting and confining antisocial people is an effective method of maintaining social order and stability. I'm not saying these ideas are "Republican", only that they are "conservative" in the sense that we've been practicing them for milenia.

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Post by themitigating »

thegrimmest wrote: post #149
paulcole wrote: post #130

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Think of it like climate change. The weather today is the result of poor decision making 30, 40, 50+ years ago. Additionally, politics and policies exist at the national level as well and can influence what happens in even liberal cities.

I'm not sure that's true at all. There have been many demonstrably effective short-term crime reduction strategies. Broken window theory being the most famous example. Shockingly, arresting and confining violent antisocial people reduces violence in society.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/22/nypd-fewer-a...

The ‘clearances paradox’: could less policing actually reduce gun violence in New York?

Your over simplifying the complex reasons behind crime.

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D13Fd wrote: post #208
thegrimmest wrote: post #150

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I think many things can be framed as "change things" or "leave them".

I think that is mostly imagined. Lots of “conservative” positions involve deep societal change and lots of “liberal” policies maintain the status quo. The reverse is true as well.

I think you're conflating (US) "Republican" and "Democrat" with "liberal" and "conservative". Most dictionaries define "conservative" in contradiction to your comment.

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Post by themitigating »

thegrimmest wrote: post #213
themitigating wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Policing is the responsibility of the state. Are you saying Republican led states have less crime?

Policing and crime are fundamentally local concerns. The main predictor of exposure to crime or likelyhood of police encounter is zip code. Some (local) policies are more effective at crime reduction than others. Among the most famously effective is the broken windows theory of policing. The basic principle being that arresting and confining antisocial people is an effective method of maintaining social order and sta…

The concept of broken windows started in the 1980s and according to a recent paper it's not effective.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2019/05/15/northeastern-univer...

Here's an npr article showing that the effects in nyc were overstated

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/01/500104506/broken-windows-poli...

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preommr wrote: post #40
Onanymous wrote: post #15

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Nonsense. Education is not about taking a course or reading bunch of books. The big part of education is being able to directly ask a knowledgeable person once you're stuck. You can ask the community of course but the quality of community answers is more than often just trash.

> The big part of education is being able to directly ask a knowledgeable person once you're stuck. Stuck on what? For an undergrad, those problems can easily be solved by going online or to a tutor for a fraction of the cost. And that's for STEM based problems, humanities is all about flattering whatever opinions the professor personally holds. The best piece of advice I got was from one of my english highschool tea…

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

themitigating wrote: post #206
LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #198

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Overly-liberal cities (SF, Vancouver, LA, etc) are killing far more of their citizens with failed drug policies than COVID, and with circumstance they've engineered such as giving extra "safe" fentanyl to people, telling dealers they won't be arrested, and never institutionalizing against their wishes. The difference between approaches isn't "lock them up / don't" or "my kids / their kids". It's not a left/right or c…

"and with circumstance they've engineered such as giving extra "safe" fentanyl to people" Fentanyl is cut with other drugs and there's no fentanyl distribution that I can see. Care to provide a source? The drug is extremely potent to be consumed alone. ---------------------------------------- Here's a DEA warning about mass overdose events from Fentanyl "Fentanyl-related mass-overdose events, characterized as three o…

> Multiple Republicans ... and you wonder why there's a backlash

I'm generally not in the USA so I'm trying to speak of things more internationally, and broader than just the divisive Dem/Rep mob.

And no, the backlash I'm talking about is the last eighty or more years. The hippies are boomers, after all.

> Top 10 states by drug overdose ...

I'm not talking about deaths but deaths that society encourages. What would happen in that area if you tried to shoot up in front of a cop?

> there's no fentanyl distribution that I can see. Care to provide a source?

The programs aren't very well documented because they're "just" a doctor treating their patients, many of whom they never meet. The newspaper articles aren't great. Here's a transcript of the Alberta government examining Vancouver's drug situation for the purposes of setting their own policies. There are also other days of testimony and citizen input if you look around. https://docs.assembly.ab.ca/LADDAR_files/docs/committees/ess...

> The drug is extremely potent to be consumed alone.

Yeah. The dealers intentionally kill a few every now and then as an ad for their product and they manipulate the potency in competition with other dealers. The police warn non drug users that a cheap street dose is many times more likely to kill an inexperienced user than a similar dose from a decade ago.

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Post by exhilaration »

rayiner wrote: post #100

What surprises me is how many Asians support these measures. Make no mistake: our ability to progress as we have in America has depended on the fact that objective metrics cannot easily be gamed. The cost of test prep is a minor barrier to entry compared to the cultural knowledge required to write an essay that moves a WASP admissions officer, or the social capital and connections required to get involved in charitab…

I'm not sure where you're getting this impression, just read the Wikipedia page for SFFA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions

Asians are a pretty big and diverse group but I would say there's pretty strong support the lawsuits that will soon dismantle affirmative action.

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