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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by dTal »

roenxi wrote: post #254
angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

> It's all ADA abuse... The HN gestalt confuses me on this one. The other week the EU had that charger standardisation law and the mood on HN was undeniably positive. Now we have a comment that Californian web accessibility laws are being enforced and the top voted comment is decidedly negative. These laws are remarkably similar in intent and likely outcome. What is different here? Is it the same people but you're al…

One might uncharitably surmise that it has something to do with the fact that most HN users are personally inconvenienced more by incompatible charging standards than by inaccessible websites.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by roenxi »

yucky wrote: post #397
roenxi wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A blind person can't see a painting, therefore we shouldn't paint. A deaf person can't hear music, therefore we shouldn't make music. That is a bit of a strawman argument though, is there anyone saying that? The actual situation is likely more like if a blind person can't see your painting you have to describe it to them. And I don't see how this is going to fit in with your original point on multi-billion dollar c…

>That is a bit of a strawman argument though, is there anyone saying that? Yes, you did. And then followed up with the same line of reasoning again in the next sentence: > The actual situation is likely more like if a blind person can't see your painting you have to describe it to them . But my painting is only meant to be appreciated visually because that is how I choose to express it. The idea that I should be forc…

If you feel that describing your painting to a blind person is beneath your dignity as an artist, to the point that you'd rather have left it unpainted, then truly I sit in awe of your principles.

But why you think that you can apply that sort of standard to yourself, but not see a level of absurdity in the EU commission trying to wrest phone design away from Apple of all companies is still a profound mystery even after all these posts. They have as much a "right" to design integrity as an artist does.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by kursemaster »

roenxi wrote: post #364
yucky wrote: post #346

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A blind person can't see a painting, therefore we shouldn't paint. A deaf person can't hear music, therefore we shouldn't make music. This argument is absurd. Nobody has a right to prevent someone form expressing themselves just because they can't enjoy it.

> A blind person can't see a painting, therefore we shouldn't paint. A deaf person can't hear music, therefore we shouldn't make music. That is a bit of a strawman argument though, is there anyone saying that? The actual situation is likely more like if a blind person can't see your painting you have to describe it to them. And I don't see how this is going to fit in with your original point on multi-billion dollar c…

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by kursemaster »

cma wrote: post #330
angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

Why doesn't the government instead subsidize an auto-captioning device or software for deaf users, so every site, even foreign and outside jurisdiction would work?

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by yucky »

roenxi wrote: post #402
yucky wrote: post #397

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>That is a bit of a strawman argument though, is there anyone saying that? Yes, you did. And then followed up with the same line of reasoning again in the next sentence: > The actual situation is likely more like if a blind person can't see your painting you have to describe it to them . But my painting is only meant to be appreciated visually because that is how I choose to express it. The idea that I should be forc…

If you feel that describing your painting to a blind person is beneath your dignity as an artist, to the point that you'd rather have left it unpainted, then truly I sit in awe of your principles. But why you think that you can apply that sort of standard to yourself, but not see a level of absurdity in the EU commission trying to wrest phone design away from Apple of all companies is still a profound mystery even af…

>If you feel that describing your painting to a blind person is beneath your dignity as an artist

It has nothing to do with dignity it has to do with artistic vision. If you don't want to present your art in ways you don't intend it to be consumed, you shouldn't be forced. If someone else wants to do it for others, that's fine. You could even start a business taking art forms and describing them for people who can't appreciate them in their natural setting.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by ekianjo »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #363
ekianjo wrote: post #336

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>The issue here under the law is whether disabled people can access his website or not. Soon you will apply the same standard for video games too? After all, why can't people without arms enjoy the same video games as you do? This kind of line of thinking has no end in sight, and is purely aimed at killing smaller companies and reinforcing the centralization of a few actors.

I disagree with your rhetorical question, as people without arms absolutely can enjoy the same video games I do. I don't know about Sony and Nintendo, but Microsoft and 3rd parties on PC have absolutely ploughed resources into making sure that's the case. Notable examples include the Xbox Adaptive Controller [1] which greatly simplifies making custom setups for the specific needs of gamers with limited motor control…

> I don't know about Sony and Nintendo, but Microsoft and 3rd parties on PC have absolutely ploughed resources into making sure that's the case.

Hence proving my point that this is the stuff of big companies. If you had to develop solutions as a small manufacturer because it is "mandated" you would go bankrupt before accomplishing anything

> I think you're completely wrong on this. Gaming should be accessible and there's no excuse for it not to be in future.

"should"'s are meaningless. Resources are limited and you can't expect to serve all the needs out there when you make a product. Making choices matter, and that's precisely why you cannot make a product for "everyone".

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Post by gigel82 »

subroutine wrote: post #373
gigel82 wrote: post #305

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I mean... it is, isn't it? Google is specifically known to be using their fonts for tracking users across the web.

Source?

Here's Google's 1st hit for "Google Fonts privacy", you can find more: https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2020/08/google-fonts-privacy...

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by Finnucane »

knaekhoved wrote: post #96
Finnucane wrote: post #47

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There's no way of knowing from the information provided if this is really "I can't do that" or "I just don't want to do that." What effort did he make? What cost was he facing? This is just a little foot-stomping rant. It might feel good, but provides little illumination.

Does your moral system really have no separation between "capable of doing X" and "obligated to do X under threat of prosecution"?

Sure, but the complaint is that the cost Is burdensome, but the details are lacking. One sees a lot of mountains being made of molehills on the interwebs.

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Post by ezoe »

camillomiller wrote: post #265
angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

Currently in Germany there’s a wave of lawyers letters making the rounds. They claim a website violates the privacy of some dummy client when they accessed the website and their IP was transmitted to Google’s servers to download Google Fonts from the cloud. I’ve been putting in some extra hours this week to help scared clients localize their Google Fonts. The wave started after an half-assed sentence from a court in…

Just like EU cookie law, it's a really stupid judgement. It's you, your computer and your web browser who download the fonts from Google server, not the web server in Germany.

All the web server do is presenting the URL to the google server. You should be responsible for the behaviour of your computer and the web browser run on top of it.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by drc500free »

hedora wrote: post #376
drc500free wrote: post #328

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1. Refuse to fund enforcement of disability protections, and require citizens to crowdsource it via a bounty program. 2. Label anyone who tries to enforce it an “ADA abuser” and claim they are misusing the system to make money. 3. Disability protections are successfully ignored, corporations make more profit. Usually there’s a “???” in the middle, but this one is pretty straightforward.

I think this a good summary of why civil suits usually can only be brought by a party that actually suffered some sort of harm. (The ADA works that way in 48 states, avoiding abusive suits.)

Can you define for me what makes the suit abusive?

Is the defendant following the law and being wrongfully sued?

Or are they breaking the law but should only be held accountable if a disabled person has the energy, time, and money to go through the court system?

It’s sounding like “it’s annoying to serve disabled people, businesses should be able to get away with not doing that.” In my mind we are literally dealing with people who are abusing (ignoring) ADA to make a profit, but you are calling the OTHER side profit-seeking abusers.

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