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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by JCharante »

tssva wrote: post #347
JCharante wrote: post #343

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I kinda agree. If the restaurant rents then the landlord renting out their space as restaurant space should be liable

The restaurant owners chose to rent a property with knowledge that they were going to operate a restaurant on the property, and they also knew or should have known the accessibility requirements for restaurants. Why shouldn't they be liable.

Isn't the property zoned for a commercial space / a restaurant though? And when you sign a lease for a commercial space it states what you're allowed to do and even what types of F&B businesses aren't allowed there if it's a strip mall.

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Post by bell-cot »

JCharante wrote: post #391
tssva wrote: post #347

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The restaurant owners chose to rent a property with knowledge that they were going to operate a restaurant on the property, and they also knew or should have known the accessibility requirements for restaurants. Why shouldn't they be liable.

Isn't the property zoned for a commercial space / a restaurant though? And when you sign a lease for a commercial space it states what you're allowed to do and even what types of F&B businesses aren't allowed there if it's a strip mall.

And - if you want to make material changes to the property, then pretty much everything has to be pre-approved, inspected, etc. by both the landlord and the local municipality's bureaucrats and building inspectors.

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Post by themitigating »

ok_dad wrote: post #383
themitigating wrote: post #315

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The developer is causing harm to those who want to access it but can't and he's making money by not making it accessible. As for harming the environment, that's unrelated

And now no one can use it. Perhaps there’s a way to provide access to those who need it but not sue a person for making a hobby site?

You're assuming the only outcome is the website is shutdown. That's what happened here.

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Post by camillomiller »

gigel82 wrote: post #305
camillomiller wrote: post #265

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Currently in Germany there’s a wave of lawyers letters making the rounds. They claim a website violates the privacy of some dummy client when they accessed the website and their IP was transmitted to Google’s servers to download Google Fonts from the cloud. I’ve been putting in some extra hours this week to help scared clients localize their Google Fonts. The wave started after an half-assed sentence from a court in…

I mean... it is, isn't it? Google is specifically known to be using their fonts for tracking users across the web.

Sure thing, which is why I always call fonts locally. The problem is how adequate is the compensation for the violation. Some law firms ask for amounts close to 500€, and that’s bonkers. Also, most of them automate the website visit with a spoof user, which is easy to prove and immediately discredits their request. Unfortunately nobody does because you need to hire a lawyer and it’s cheaper to just pay and be done with it.

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Post by rsstack »

tluyben2 wrote: post #354
rsstack wrote: post #101

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Doesn't work in Hebrew.

I was wondering if he uploads to YouTube, would the same still apply? I mean if he doesn’t link them but just uses YouTube? All videos on YouTube must also have Hebrew subs?

If his site qualifies as a public site in Israel, and the main content of the site is the videos, it would be required. Since his sites' purpose was almost entirely the videos, I think it would be hard for him to defend his case in court.

I don't know what happens to sites that are collecting links to videos that were not made by the site author, because clearly the author can't modify other people's videos and can't rehost them without violating copyright. But a human judge wouldn't be fooled by it in this case :)

Also note: the law requires captions, not Hebrew captions. The captions must match the spoken language in the video.

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Post by sgt »

fragmede wrote: post #227
ars wrote: post #124

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Do you speak Hebrew?

I don't. Computers do though

Computers do? I think you are overestimating the ability that computers have in understanding speech.

Think auto-subtitles in YouTube in English that often barely work.

In other languages it's much harder, because sentences don't necessarily work the same way as the system was designed/trained for.

When e.g Google Translate actually works really well, we can talk. Before that, human translators are needed.

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Post by yucky »

roenxi wrote: post #364
yucky wrote: post #346

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A blind person can't see a painting, therefore we shouldn't paint. A deaf person can't hear music, therefore we shouldn't make music. This argument is absurd. Nobody has a right to prevent someone form expressing themselves just because they can't enjoy it.

> A blind person can't see a painting, therefore we shouldn't paint. A deaf person can't hear music, therefore we shouldn't make music. That is a bit of a strawman argument though, is there anyone saying that? The actual situation is likely more like if a blind person can't see your painting you have to describe it to them. And I don't see how this is going to fit in with your original point on multi-billion dollar c…

>That is a bit of a strawman argument though, is there anyone saying that?

Yes, you did. And then followed up with the same line of reasoning again in the next sentence:

> The actual situation is likely more like if a blind person can't see your painting you have to describe it to them.

But my painting is only meant to be appreciated visually because that is how I choose to express it. The idea that I should be forced to represent my art in a way I never intended it to be, is absurd.

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Post by gingerlime »

subroutine wrote: post #373
gigel82 wrote: post #305

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I mean... it is, isn't it? Google is specifically known to be using their fonts for tracking users across the web.

Source?

I’m not sure this is the issue precisely. However there’s been rulings that ban using Google analytics simply because doing so means the user sends a request to Google, and the user IP address is considered personal data (look up Schrems II). The same applies to Google fonts or anything hosted by Google.

The interesting thing specifically about the fonts case is that, unlike other privacy regulation that defines only fines, and not compensation/damages (fines are levied by the data protection authorities). However in the font case there was a precedent that awarded damages to the claimant in the tune of 500€. Now we see a wave of ambulance chasing lawyers exploiting this ruling to shake up companies. Sad, but potentially useful for privacy. IANAL and all that jazz.

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Post by littlestymaar »

galangalalgol wrote: post #132
littlestymaar wrote: post #93

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This is essentially a legal protection money racket. People running a racket never leave you with nothing left to lose. Most obviously because they can't come back for more. But also because people with nothing left to lose will burn down al Capone's house and not care that they are about to be killed in some horrible way. These legal rackets know if they hit you for something you can afford to pay and keep your busi…

> Cameras are everywhere now.

They clearly aren't, and there are around a hundred arson committed each day in average in the US so it doesn't look like the sheer number of surveillance camera is enough of a deterrent for the typical criminal.

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Post by Biganon »

mkr-hn wrote: post #224
knaekhoved wrote: post #91

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How about I should be able to do whatever I want with my content without some slimy lawyer or smarmy internet commenter giving me a hard time?

You might feel different when you're disabled.

So every single magazine out there needs to exist in braille so blind people can read them? If I publish stuff on the Internet, I'm the one choosing "how public" it is. It's nobody else's business.
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