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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

mannerheim wrote: post #209
tomatotomato37 wrote: post #67

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While I generally agree, I think adding subtitles are a fairly low bar to pass that help the able & disabled in equal amounts. If you're in public and don't feel like wearing headphones or want to listen to music instead, than even shitty auto-generated captions are a massive improvement in quality

Auto-generated captions were deemed by the court to not be an acceptable solution.

There are better and worse systems for this; I tried a few for a project and there are some that are better than my hearing, as in, picking up words I missed correctly, even through thick accent. The court won’t be able to see these are auto generated.

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armchairhacker wrote: post #31

you should add subtitles to your videos. Either just auto-generate them with a service (can even use YouTube as someone mentioned), ask for the community to add subtitles, or hire transcribers if you’re willing to pay Can re-show the videos one at a time when subtitles are added rather than immediately doing it to the full batch. You could even just move the site to a Youtube channel, as youtube provides subtitles. B…

I don't think you can autogenerate Hebrew subtitles (I may be wrong). Works for English and other common languages though. I have 25+ hours of video courses. Luckily it's in English so no problem, but for uncommon languages this is an issue.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by invalidname »

advisedwang wrote: post #98
throwaway4837 wrote: post #58

This is like saying you can't post a poster on a bulletin board if it doesn't follow a specific format. These laws make no sense and are a perfect example of out-of-touch policy. It should be my prerogative as to whether or not I care about the disabled market. I _should_ care if I'm a good person, but it shouldn't prevent me from being able to serve other markets.

> It should be my prerogative as to whether or not I care about the disabled market In general, being accessible is expensive, time consuming and requires care and forethought. Back in the days when businesses did get to decide whether or not they cared about the disabled (pre ADA in the us, for example) they largely decided they did not. This created a class of people shut out of the world. This is a bad outcome. Ac…

The failure in these laws is the freedom to sue. That removes the burden from the government and places it on lawyers who try to capitalize on it. A lawyer can then use this as a money making scheme regardless of the size of an individual. This is the failure of the ADA too.

This works well for large, well established businesses. Businesses with big turnover and investment. They also have the financial ability to add accessibility. Unfortunately it doesn't work well for small businesses who are left defenseless against threats from lawyers.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

rsstack wrote: post #101
ortusdux wrote: post #15

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Upload the videos to a private YouTube channel and then download the autogenerated subtitles?

Doesn't work in Hebrew.

I was wondering if he uploads to YouTube, would the same still apply? I mean if he doesn’t link them but just uses YouTube? All videos on YouTube must also have Hebrew subs?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #240
alonmln wrote: post #86

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Not if the videos are in Hebrew. English and other languages have excellent support and tools that less common languages don't.

There are definitely options available for Hebrew transcription, and Israel has no shortage of domestic computer talent. Human transcription services run about $150 per hour of program material, which is not a huge expense for a business. It's certainly an inconvenience, but a predictable one for the market they're operating in.

Except, OP is not a business; as is read from their post, their content is completely free and they make no money. Then 150 per hour is pretty steep.

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Post by tluyben2 »

knaekhoved wrote: post #91
armchairhacker wrote: post #31

you should add subtitles to your videos. Either just auto-generate them with a service (can even use YouTube as someone mentioned), ask for the community to add subtitles, or hire transcribers if you’re willing to pay Can re-show the videos one at a time when subtitles are added rather than immediately doing it to the full batch. You could even just move the site to a Youtube channel, as youtube provides subtitles. B…

How about I should be able to do whatever I want with my content without some slimy lawyer or smarmy internet commenter giving me a hard time?

You still can, but you need hosting in another jurisdiction, owned by a company in yet another jurisdiction on a domain name somewhere else. Seems we are going there as though I believe, like many here, in accessibility, however for free (old) content, this makes little sense and is simply a bad thing.

What if archive.org had to comply to this for all their videos, audio and sites (no matter the language); they can delete mostly everything at that point.

Not to mention: how about games? In game video, game content; many games from the 80s and 90s etc (or current ones but there I do think accessibility should be addressed where possible) can be played by people with certain kind of disabilities if ‘fixed’, but they won’t be or cannot be; they should be removed from the web?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

weatherlight wrote: post #201
Test0129 wrote: post #170

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Or perhaps the business couldn't afford transcription/translation. The GP seems to suggest it's "trivial" to add subtitles. Great! What happens when those subtitles are terrible quality? The goal post will get moved further and further by those in charge until you need professional grade transcription. If you're a small enough business you probably don't have the XX,XXX in legal capital to fight a firm that can throw…

* The law has existed since 1998 - https://www.boia.org/blog/israels-digital-accessibility-laws... . * Israeli companies were given 22 years to comply. * Small businesses were required to comply as of 2020. It's a ridiculous argument.

It doesn’t sound like OP is a business though. Small or otherwise.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #224
knaekhoved wrote: post #91

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How about I should be able to do whatever I want with my content without some slimy lawyer or smarmy internet commenter giving me a hard time?

You might feel different when you're disabled.

I am sure I would, however, removing content completely just because you cannot afford to backtrack over 1000s of hours of content to add this requirement is not good and many people with disabilities would agree with that. Why not simply say it only applies to businesses and only for content that was released online after the law came into existence. And then a grace period of 60 days or something. What is wrong with that?

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Post by [deleted] »

ekianjo wrote: post #335
roenxi wrote: post #254

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> It's all ADA abuse... The HN gestalt confuses me on this one. The other week the EU had that charger standardisation law and the mood on HN was undeniably positive. Now we have a comment that Californian web accessibility laws are being enforced and the top voted comment is decidedly negative. These laws are remarkably similar in intent and likely outcome. What is different here? Is it the same people but you're al…

> Now we have a comment that Californian web accessibility laws are being enforced Sending random legal action letters and forcing small companies to settle hardly sounds like "enforcement" but rather blackmail/extortion.

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #30
cptskippy wrote: post #25

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> Couldn't this guy just hire a professional captioning service or offer transcripts to users that may need it? Yes, and that is neither cheap or easy.

It is actually quite inexpensive for most and very easy, but expense is of course always measured in relative terms.

Is it easy though? I had a professor do it for his own videos because ‘it is easy’; it is a horror show; everything is badly out of sync etc. I don’t think it’s easy for an average person at all. I am a programmer but I have 2 left hands where it comes to video or photo editing and then it gets expensive fast. People here saying ‘it costs only $150/hr to fix’ probably don’t provide anything free nor have a small business. Throwing 1000s against something that will never make you a penny but is a hobby/something you like because of some lawyers is insanity.

I for instance script my videos, so I have the subtitles already, I just have no way of putting them in so I provide the transcript. Which seems fine for people.

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