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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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you should add subtitles to your videos. Either just auto-generate them with a service (can even use YouTube as someone mentioned), ask for the community to add subtitles, or hire transcribers if you’re willing to pay Can re-show the videos one at a time when subtitles are added rather than immediately doing it to the full batch. You could even just move the site to a Youtube channel, as youtube provides subtitles. B…

How about I should be able to do whatever I want with my content without some slimy lawyer or smarmy internet commenter giving me a hard time?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#92

People with disabilities often struggle to find content they can consume because it's not a11y friendly. Unfortunately in this case lawyers are capitalizing on this law that was made to help people with disabilities to go after websites that are not a11y friendly. Maybe before shutting down you should consider making your content a11y friendly by adding captions to your videos. It is extra work but consider you may b…

> helping a portion of the population that is often underserved

somebody has a handicap, they are not underserved, that's a political euphemism, they underappreciate the standard servings.

I'm all for helping people, but it needs to be in light of a cost-benefit calculation, including who pays the cost and who-all receives benefits, public and private goods (closed captions do benefit more than the deaf)... I guess I'm saying, this needs to be done in the light of day and judiciously, with more balance than just private aggrievement. If this guy in Israel or Berkeley is sharing material that we-the-people benefit from and think needs to be accessible, this "wound" should be allowed to fester a bit while a reasonable cure is found, rather than shutting the whole things down.

Reminds me of a thought I often have when old laws apply to novel new situations and harsh judgements are passed down, I wish the judge could rule "hey, nobody thought of this before, so we're going to let this one go, but we're gonna rule the opposite way in the future so correct the law, and/or get your act together".

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#93

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I genuinely do not understand how they can sleep at night. Thanks for pushing back.

"If it were wrong it would be illegal."

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#94

Not much of a description of the new accessibility requirements, so I don't think people can have much insight about what exactly broke down here. I'm guessing if a website has more than 500 viewers/visitors a month, it's required that the videos must be captioned? Couldn't this guy just hire a professional captioning service or offer transcripts to users that may need it? This all seems a bit dramatic from the guy,…

> Couldn't this guy just hire a professional captioning service or offer transcripts to users that may need it

"Can't this guy doing something for free do even more work, under threat of prosecution, for the putative but questionable benefit of a small minority?"

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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There needs to be a system where accessibility issues can be raised and addressed without allowing attorneys to profiteer from the system.

Why, so the arbitrators of that system can profit instead? And so the people who appoint them can profit from having such a lucrative power?

A proceess that avoids the profiteering is maybe... - complainant makes complaint to government agency - Agency investigates and makes demands for changes - Fines levied by agency on failure to address shortcomings

Private suits like we see here (and other ADA-type regulations), where lawyers serve to profit directly, are the problem. Not accessibility regulations in general.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#96

Not much of a description of the new accessibility requirements, so I don't think people can have much insight about what exactly broke down here. I'm guessing if a website has more than 500 viewers/visitors a month, it's required that the videos must be captioned? Couldn't this guy just hire a professional captioning service or offer transcripts to users that may need it? This all seems a bit dramatic from the guy,…

There's no way of knowing from the information provided if this is really "I can't do that" or "I just don't want to do that." What effort did he make? What cost was he facing? This is just a little foot-stomping rant. It might feel good, but provides little illumination.

Does your moral system really have no separation between "capable of doing X" and "obligated to do X under threat of prosecution"?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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The problem isn't that attorneys can profiteer. The problem is that if you spend a bunch of time and money to make available a public resource that you're not making any money off of, you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone.

> you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone... The unfortunate end result of that is certain segments of the population treated as second-class citizens.

Only if this extends to government programs and for-profit enterprise. Freely provided resources should not be subject to the same scrutinies.

I am hugely in favor of accessibility programs and legislation, but this is plainly a poor implementation. The fact is that, if you're differently abled, you will have different experiences and resources you can utilize. Government + enterprise services should absolutely accommodate this, but the average person or nonprofit should not be bound by these restrictions. You would never require all residential properties to have ramp access, for instance.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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This is like saying you can't post a poster on a bulletin board if it doesn't follow a specific format. These laws make no sense and are a perfect example of out-of-touch policy. It should be my prerogative as to whether or not I care about the disabled market. I _should_ care if I'm a good person, but it shouldn't prevent me from being able to serve other markets.

> It should be my prerogative as to whether or not I care about the disabled market

In general, being accessible is expensive, time consuming and requires care and forethought. Back in the days when businesses did get to decide whether or not they cared about the disabled (pre ADA in the us, for example) they largely decided they did not. This created a class of people shut out of the world. This is a bad outcome.

Accessibility laws need to be well crafted (which the israeli one may not be) and carefully balanced, but many societies decided to reduce the absolute freedom of choice for business owners in order to prevent a poverty stricken and secluded underclass of disabled people. I think that was a wise choice.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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The problem isn't that attorneys can profiteer. The problem is that if you spend a bunch of time and money to make available a public resource that you're not making any money off of, you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone.

> you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone... The unfortunate end result of that is certain segments of the population treated as second-class citizens.

>"The unfortunate end result of that is certain segments of the population treated as second-class citizens."

I wouldn't go that far. The uncomfortable truth is that we do have people who require special accommodations and those accommodations can often be expensive and rarely utilized. It makes sense to enforce such accommodations for things like building codes and government websites. But for most individuals making content online, full compliance is too costly for something that isn't going to be seen by a wide audience in the first place.

I think if the author hadn't been sued and someone approached him asking for captions there is a good chance that person could have been reasonably accommodated.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#100

This is like saying you can't post a poster on a bulletin board if it doesn't follow a specific format. These laws make no sense and are a perfect example of out-of-touch policy. It should be my prerogative as to whether or not I care about the disabled market. I _should_ care if I'm a good person, but it shouldn't prevent me from being able to serve other markets.

One Saturday morning 3 months ago I got on my bike like I had the week before, and the week before that.

Less than 30 minutes later I was splayed out on the ground with my lower right leg broken clean in half and my tibia sticking out of my shin while an onlookers called me an ambulance. For 2 months afterwards I was confined to wheelchairs and walkers, and I only just recently was able to start walking independently again.

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People make comments like this because they think it's a disabled market with disabled people, and another market beside... it doesn't work like that.

No matter how young you are, how careful you are, how healthy you are, we are all one bad morning away from being disabled for an indeterminate amount of time. And we all benefit from accessibility because at any time we might need to rely on it.

There's this mentality of seeing accessibility as an overpriced nice to have that's akin to seeing insurance as an overpriced nice to have just because you haven't made a claim yet

We need laws like what the ADA affords to back accessibility because (for the vast majority of businesses) it will never be profitable to cater to the disabled at a high level of quality.

I mean look at the OP. They pivoted to being a paid product yet still they're saying that they want to skirt the law by limiting the class size instead of paying some transcribers to add subtitles that would honestly benefit everyone (especially for technical content)

The disabled deserve to be catered to regardless of profitability because the inverse is unjust: that they'd live with greatly reduced access to goods and services based on something completely out of their control

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