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India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by hunter-gatherer »

idealmedtech wrote: post #89
bradleykingz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy hell, this seems a lot more comprehensive than I'd ever expected. Good job India. I hope this spreads to the rest of the world somehow. The fact that it's impossible to uninstall YouTube or use Vanced as the default for YouTube.com links is the bane of my existence.

You actually can have Vanced be the default! Set an app timer for 0hr 0 min on YouTube, and go into the app link behavior in settings to default to Vanced. After that, links should open in Vanced. In apps that have browsers, view the link in the internal browser if it brings you to YouTube.com, and it should redirect.

That is a great work around. Thanks for sharing!

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by another_devy »

empathygeezer wrote: post #130

Imagine suing Linus Torvalds for giving something away for free and having the audacity of rejecting pull requests.

Linus Torvalds is not gate keeping official browser, search engine, maps and even package manager for linux. Also I don’t think he is making billions by allowing people to fork and yet not change kernel

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by empathygeezer »

another_devy wrote: post #132
empathygeezer wrote: post #130

Imagine suing Linus Torvalds for giving something away for free and having the audacity of rejecting pull requests.

Linus Torvalds is not gate keeping official browser, search engine, maps and even package manager for linux. Also I don’t think he is making billions by allowing people to fork and yet not change kernel

Isn’t Android open source?

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by realusername »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #79
tatpacc wrote: post #4

Here is the link to original order [ https://www.cci.gov.in/antitrust/press-release/details/261/0 ] some experts 13. Accordingly, in terms of the provisions of Section 27 of the Act, the Commission has imposed monetary penalty as well as issued cease and desist order against Google from indulging in anti-competitive practices that have been found to be in contravention of the provisions of Section 4 of the Act. Some…

> ix. Google shall allow the developers of app stores to distribute their app stores through Play Store. This is a big one. I hope they require the same for iOS, but for some reason that doesn't seem to be happening anywhere.

iOS is a rounding error in India, Android has a near monopoly, that also helps to legitimate their crackdown against anti-competitive practices.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by hef19898 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #126
onion2k wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iv. Google shall not offer any monetary/ other incentives to, or enter into any arrangement with, OEMs for ensuring exclusivity for its search services. That's a threat about $15bn of Apple's revenue...

Problem is, it's Apple. I mean lets be frank, is 15B even 10% of Apple's revenue? Maybe it is? Maybe it's even more than 10%? But I doubt it. I mean forget revenue, I bet you could lob 15B off their profit from last year and they'd still be more profitable than they'd ever been. If you want to hurt big companies like banks, oil companies, healthcare behemoths so on and so forth, you have to hit them where it hurts. Y…

Not caring about 10%, your numbers, of your revenue is how you become the most valueable company on the planet. Not.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by hef19898 »

userbinator wrote: post #90
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #25

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here is my take. currently there are all microsoft-y nudge user till they allow then say "user accepted"... case in point. i have a moto phone that has stock android. very nice. it has default sms as "messages". this app keeps nudging me to use "chat features" and other bs so the "dont use connected features" line is really small while accept is a big button. they dont want me to not accept so they keep pushing me. s…

I agree. There should be a "No means no."

That is not just a problem when it comes to app permissions...

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by sfgd »

idealmedtech wrote: post #89
bradleykingz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy hell, this seems a lot more comprehensive than I'd ever expected. Good job India. I hope this spreads to the rest of the world somehow. The fact that it's impossible to uninstall YouTube or use Vanced as the default for YouTube.com links is the bane of my existence.

You actually can have Vanced be the default! Set an app timer for 0hr 0 min on YouTube, and go into the app link behavior in settings to default to Vanced. After that, links should open in Vanced. In apps that have browsers, view the link in the internal browser if it brings you to YouTube.com, and it should redirect.

Any detailed instructions for lay people please. I would like to use this, but don't know how to set the app timer you mentioned. Thanks.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Post by homelessgolden »

rushikesh98 wrote: post #117
homelessgolden wrote: post #105

Don’t expect anything to happen immediately. This order will be appealed and Google will take it up to the Indian Supreme Court. 2/3 more years till it all gets resolved. Most likely parts of this order will get rescinded blin appeal. I don’t see the whole thing going away and certainly there is impact on Google’s business practices. However this will take time to play out. In the next 2/3 years Google will try to wo…

I don't see SC deliberating too much on this issue. It's a policy and commercial fairness issue. Also, The SC has been leaning in the direction of libre and privacy friendly software so far. The SC is not there to negate every government decisions.

SC may not negate. But CCI rulings can be appealed in SC. And that process will take time. You can be sure Google will appeal and drag things. And while I don’t expect SC to overrule the whole decision some elements will get eased for Google in the process.
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