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Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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40 is older than 20. You then don't have the same resistance to stress, lack of sleep, muscles regenerate slower, and you often start to have health problems. Believe me, most parents have back problems at some point, especially if you're not sending your child to daycare. No wonder, armies around the world won't hire a 40 years old, and prefer youngsters in their early 20's: their body is still intact.

If you think being a parent is as physically grueling as combat then I'd suggest you either meet some parents or get into some fights because you have a serious misunderstanding of one or the other. In any case, outside of the extremes there really isn't much physical difference between 40s and 20s unless you have health issues or you don't exercise. I'm 45 and lift about what I did when I was 25. My cardio is better…

I have a 1 year old toddler at home weighting 12 kg, so thanks, but I have a direct experience of it. It's a pleasure to be a father, but yeah, lifting him, the stroller, waking up at night, while having to provide for the whole family isn't a walk in the park physically.

I'm really happy for you that you are entitled with enough time and money to lift/box/muay thai/cardio - I personally have to keep the bank account loaded enough to make ends meet, while I'm not at home helping with the daily chores. I did a lot of sport in the past though, I was a competitive rower in my home country, and I kept a very strong cardio out of it.

Anyway, why not a bit of skin in the game and test your theory about "no physical difference between 40s and 20s"? For instance, by marketing a health insurance in the US, where the premiums are the same for this age category? I hear that it's a good business, so why wouldn't you try? https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-age-affects-health-insuranc...

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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After 40, it gets much harder, as almost all women are subfertile at 40 and half of them are already sterile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_female_fertility#/medi...

It's still not uncommon. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/cdc-birth-rates-middl...

This is a statistic: for your life, it's a gamble not really worth trying.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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FWIW, I married into a prefab family and raised step children until they graduated high-school when I was about 39. I was "not sure" I wanted kids of my own, to be honest I was somewhat intimidated by small children, so this worked out fine.

It was then my wife, who was then 44 and I had our first together, and it was and is wonderful. The way you mention age implies something that may or may not be true in your specific situation - e.g. 40-45 is not automatically too old. Being older and more stable did make certain things about having kids (again) easier and more enjoyable.

And many young couples who aren't able to have children too do adopt. It's something to consider.

I found having youngsters in the house made us both feel young again. Tired, but young again :)

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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We are all different.

I decided to not have children and it was the absolute best decision of my life. I would just have hated to have had children. For many reasons, not just one.

I've known it from a very young age, about 13 or 14 years old, and I've never had any regrets whatsoever. Maybe the slightest pang every 2 or 3 years, for about 10 minutes. Then it goes away fast and I don't think about it for another few years.

Best single decision of my life.

Also, the worst thing that a person can do in terms of climate change, by far the worst thing, is to have a child. Far worse than having a car that burns 8 miles to the gallon or basically anything.

But as others have said, this sounds more like a mental health/mental illness situation. You 100% should see a therapist. for sure.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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> Going from one extreme of not wanting kids to waking up in the middle of the night with panic attacks caused by the idea of not having them? I'm not going to psychoanalyze someone by a single text message, but I also thought it was unusual to swing that hard. Probably the decision was not thought well and hence the regret, maybe the neighbors have beautiful babies and FOMO brings regret, maybe it's a mid-life crisi…

> maybe it's a mid-life crisis where we worry about our legacy It makes me laugh when people talk about having a "legacy" 99.999% of people are unremarkable. There are currently just over 1M Wikipedia articles about living people. Meanwhile, there are 7.7B people on the planet. Even if you made the incorrect assumption that all 1M were about living Americans, with the US population being nearly 330M, that means you'd…

Even worse than that.

Your children will have 1/2, or .5, of your DNA. Your grandchildren will have .25, great-grandchildren will have .125, then .0625....after 10 generations (about 300 years), your descendents will have 0.000977 of your DNA. After 30 generations (900 years) your descendents wil have 0.000000000931 of your DNA.

What kind of "legacy" are people thinking that they are leaving behind? All traces of your DNA will effectively disappear from all your progeny. You are gone, not a trace. Your DNA vanishes.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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If you think being a parent is as physically grueling as combat then I'd suggest you either meet some parents or get into some fights because you have a serious misunderstanding of one or the other. In any case, outside of the extremes there really isn't much physical difference between 40s and 20s unless you have health issues or you don't exercise. I'm 45 and lift about what I did when I was 25. My cardio is better…

I have a 1 year old toddler at home weighting 12 kg, so thanks, but I have a direct experience of it. It's a pleasure to be a father, but yeah, lifting him, the stroller, waking up at night, while having to provide for the whole family isn't a walk in the park physically. I'm really happy for you that you are entitled with enough time and money to lift/box/muay thai/cardio - I personally have to keep the bank account…

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Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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This is sad to read. I am almost as old as you - 41, and I had a kid when 40, and my wife 36. The kid has been the greatest thing to have happened to me on a personal level, after we got married 8 years ago. We struggled a little but persisted and eventually got there.

I remember a conversation with the doctor who helped us - when you want to bring a kid into this world, especially when you're having trouble doing so, you have to want to do it 120% - you should never be short on will.

If you are regretting your earlier decision to not have kids, recognize that you have changed, and make the subtle shift in your mind to want to have a child. Dream about the boy/girl and what kind of life you'll build around him/her, and what you and your partner will do for them and with them. The dreams will spur you to action and the action will shape your dream into reality. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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Ok, I downvoted you. Your comment isn't about what the OP asked, it's about your religion. You could almost as well post this under a "My regrets about choosing JavaScript" post. ("Don't worry, in the afterlife you'll code in Rust!")

Thanks for including a comment. It seems that the OP is looking for both direction and peace, and I hoped to share the thought process that I would have in his situation, which can be (and is to me) a really big help (with addressing possible regrets, long-term important family issues, knowing what to do now, etc). (Heh. I'm learning Rust.) Edit: Maybe I should have been more clear: that stuff about the next life inc…

I understand your point of view. Perhaps any religion would do for the OP?

> I have high confidence in the religion (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) due to a long list of reasons which I have written, including personal experience, that constitute sufficient "proof" for me.

Please take into account that many other people have high confidence in their respective other religions. Do you think they're all wrong and you're correct? I find this absolutely fascinating - apparently you're smart (you're the one learning Rust, not me!) and yet you believe things which to me appear to be obviously untrue.

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Thanks for including a comment. It seems that the OP is looking for both direction and peace, and I hoped to share the thought process that I would have in his situation, which can be (and is to me) a really big help (with addressing possible regrets, long-term important family issues, knowing what to do now, etc). (Heh. I'm learning Rust.) Edit: Maybe I should have been more clear: that stuff about the next life inc…

I understand your point of view. Perhaps any religion would do for the OP? > I have high confidence in the religion (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) due to a long list of reasons which I have written, including personal experience, that constitute sufficient "proof" for me. Please take into account that many other people have high confidence in their respective other religions. Do you think they're a…

I can see how what you say would make sense to many people. Many religions teach some good things, and we advise investigators to keep all the good they have, and let us see if we can add to it. There are specific doctrines that I think are unique to us, and we believe that the authority was eventually lost in a great apostasy after Christ and the apostles were killed, and restored later (1830s..) by the visit of resurrected beings (John the Baptist for authority to baptize; and Peter, James and John for further authority), sent by the resurrected Christ.

I have specific details at my tech-simple web site (in profile), and am happy to answer more questions, the best I can, whether here or in email (at my site).

"Families can be forever" and eternal progression in and with families -- I don't know where else those are taught, and yes we do believe the authority is with one organization, not many, that God does things in an orderly way and will eventually make those things available to all His children, even those that died without an opportunity (also distinctive, as far as I know). There is much more. :) And the gift of the Holy Ghost, given after baptism, is a personal guide, teacher, and comfort, for life, if we sincerely seek its influence.

I have learned for myself that it is true, in ways I can't deny, and anyone else can also learn for themselves. Again, more specifics at my web site and I am willing to answer many questions (hopefully the site can be useful and many are answered there).

(ps: I don't guess I'm smarter than anyone else, but there are some things I have thought about and/or worked on for a long time... :)

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with regret of not having kids

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You're not gonna read all these comments, are you? Hope you will still have luck, but in the meantime - sorry if it sounds harsh but seems like quickest way to communicate it - if you are not ok with yourself and with your life, I don't think you want to have kids. It's like a polish proverb regarding relationships: don't try to find a girl who will make you happy, find the happiness within yourself and then some gir…

To play devil’s advocate to this mindset: life isn’t an optimization game. When you’re being nibbled away at by maggots or a pile of ashes, you will receive no trophy for how you optimized your life in a particular order. You don’t need to perfect one thing to do something else. Nor does getting your ducks in a row on one thing guarantee you’ll be better off in another. Sometimes you hurl yourself into the fire and y…

> If you want to have kids, have kids.

No. Kids are not your property to experiment with. You should not force a 3rd parson (the kid) without their consent into your life if you are not mentally and physically well. Do whatever you want with your own life that does not involve unwilling subject.

Personally, I would not wish to be born to someone who is struggling, which will make me suffer later. Most people only care about consent when it's them, not others and even refuses.

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