Well he's gotta make money somehow.
Say what you want, this guy is playing the game of life well, even if hes cheating at chess
Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#22I don't know what the right way for him to fight back is, but this is a teenager who's made a few mistakes and in disproportionate response has been steamrolled by some of the biggest forces in chess - which could have had quite terrible mental health consequences for some - so I'm glad he has found an avenue for redress, however it pans out.
He's owed a massive apology by them.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#23I'm not a chess player but have been interested in the developments of this saga from exposure via HN and other sources.
Here is Carlsen's twitter statement in regards to the issue in case anyone wants to see or needs a refresher. I'm personally not aware of other "public statements" made that could be closely related but I'm just a rando
https://twitter.com/magnuscarlsen/status/1574482694406565888
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#24While I don’t think he will win, I think a stronger response is necessary because none of the allegations have been proven. An elite set has condemned someone. Even under a lower standard of more likely than not, I do not believe that it is more likely than not that Neiman cheated. I’m glad he’s standing up for himself but I’m sad to see a lawsuit.
(Excellent username, btw.) Why wouldn't he win? As you mentioned, nothing has been proven, and yet in the "court of public opinion" he's already guilty and is the butt (in the literal sense) of jokes all due to the insinuations and accusations from Mr. Carlsen, the chess tournament hosts, etc. This guy's reputation is in shambles and yet hasn't been formally charged with anything and there's no hard proof anywhere (A…
> nothing has been proven
The court cases won't be about whether he cheated. They'll mostly be about whether the people he's suing could legally say the things they've said.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a lawyer but I’ve been in lawsuits on all sides. It’s the general recommended practice. The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can. It does have -some- sense if you think about it: this is a young kid with a whole career ahead of him. Because of this accusation, his career is pretty much over. Since he could have been one of the best (as demonstrated by beating magnus) he would have ma…
His chess career. He most certainly has a wealth of other opportunities, and I tend to think of these chess grandmaster types as very capable of being very good at a lot of other things.
Man, I really hope nobody treated Brittney Griner like that when she came home...
"Hey, I know you're an Olympic athelete who has been unfairly persecuted for overblown doping allegations, but... have you ever considered a career in journalism?"
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, not a lawyer but reading this the damage and the language (things like calling Magnus "King of Chess") seem pretty extreme.
Not a lawyer but I’ve been in lawsuits on all sides. It’s the general recommended practice. The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can. It does have -some- sense if you think about it: this is a young kid with a whole career ahead of him. Because of this accusation, his career is pretty much over. Since he could have been one of the best (as demonstrated by beating magnus) he would have ma…
Id feel a lot worse for this kid if he hadn’t admitted to cheating before.
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#28Pretty wild >FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION (Slander – Against All Defendants) >SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION (Libel – Against All Defendants) >THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION (Violation of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1, et seq. – Against All Defendants) >FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION (Tortious Interference with Contract and Business Expectancies – Against All Defendants) >FIFTH CAUSE OF ACTION (Civil Conspiracy – Against All Defendants) And he is…
>THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION (Violation of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1, et seq. – Against All Defendants) What possible violation of the Sherman Act could he be pursuing?
He insinuates that by merging Chess.com and PlayMagnus, Chess is basically all owned by the same entity.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#29This truly is the drama that keeps delivering.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#30Aaaaannd any last remaining respect I had for Hans is now gone.
If you previously still had respect for Hans, does that mean you considered it possible he is innocent of these specific cheating accusations? Supposing for the sake of argument that he really didn't cheat, isn't he well within his right to sue those defaming him?
Personally I don't know; I see smoke but no fire and I'm not qualified to judge the meaning of that smoke. Hans' admitted history of cheating before online makes me inclined to believe he's cheated again, but it doesn't prove anything. In the future going forward, I think the chess community should adopt a zero tolerance policy towards cheating; one strike and you're out even if you were a teenager when you did it. This would be the most fair to the players who never cheat even once. But this isn't the sort of standard that should be applied retroactively.