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Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Post by gretch »

neaden wrote: post #4
haunter wrote: post #3

Pretty wild >FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION (Slander – Against All Defendants) >SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION (Libel – Against All Defendants) >THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION (Violation of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1, et seq. – Against All Defendants) >FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION (Tortious Interference with Contract and Business Expectancies – Against All Defendants) >FIFTH CAUSE OF ACTION (Civil Conspiracy – Against All Defendants) And he is…

Yeah, not a lawyer but reading this the damage and the language (things like calling Magnus "King of Chess") seem pretty extreme.

Not a lawyer but I’ve been in lawsuits on all sides. It’s the general recommended practice.

The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can.

It does have -some- sense if you think about it: this is a young kid with a whole career ahead of him. Because of this accusation, his career is pretty much over. Since he could have been one of the best (as demonstrated by beating magnus) he would have made $100m over a lifetime. Based This is probably the order of magnitude that hikaru and magnus will make in their careers. Or some loose logic like that

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Post by troon-lover »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #6

While I don’t think he will win, I think a stronger response is necessary because none of the allegations have been proven. An elite set has condemned someone. Even under a lower standard of more likely than not, I do not believe that it is more likely than not that Neiman cheated. I’m glad he’s standing up for himself but I’m sad to see a lawsuit.

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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Post by munchler »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #6

While I don’t think he will win, I think a stronger response is necessary because none of the allegations have been proven. An elite set has condemned someone. Even under a lower standard of more likely than not, I do not believe that it is more likely than not that Neiman cheated. I’m glad he’s standing up for himself but I’m sad to see a lawsuit.

He's already admitted that he cheated. The only question now is how many times and when.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Post by inanutshellus »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #6

While I don’t think he will win, I think a stronger response is necessary because none of the allegations have been proven. An elite set has condemned someone. Even under a lower standard of more likely than not, I do not believe that it is more likely than not that Neiman cheated. I’m glad he’s standing up for himself but I’m sad to see a lawsuit.

(Excellent username, btw.)

Why wouldn't he win? As you mentioned, nothing has been proven, and yet in the "court of public opinion" he's already guilty and is the butt (in the literal sense) of jokes all due to the insinuations and accusations from Mr. Carlsen, the chess tournament hosts, etc.

This guy's reputation is in shambles and yet hasn't been formally charged with anything and there's no hard proof anywhere (AFAIK).

Seems to me that there's an onus on the defendants to prove he cheated, and if they can't do that... wouldn't they have to be found guilty of defaming him?

Notably: I'm no lawyer and have no idea how defamation cases actually work.

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Post by yladiz »

haunter wrote: post #3

Pretty wild >FIRST CAUSE OF ACTION (Slander – Against All Defendants) >SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION (Libel – Against All Defendants) >THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION (Violation of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1, et seq. – Against All Defendants) >FOURTH CAUSE OF ACTION (Tortious Interference with Contract and Business Expectancies – Against All Defendants) >FIFTH CAUSE OF ACTION (Civil Conspiracy – Against All Defendants) And he is…

>THIRD CAUSE OF ACTION (Violation of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1, et seq. – Against All Defendants)

What possible violation of the Sherman Act could he be pursuing?

Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura

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Post by saxonww »

gretch wrote: post #12
neaden wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, not a lawyer but reading this the damage and the language (things like calling Magnus "King of Chess") seem pretty extreme.

Not a lawyer but I’ve been in lawsuits on all sides. It’s the general recommended practice. The number can only go down, never up, so you ask for all that you can. It does have -some- sense if you think about it: this is a young kid with a whole career ahead of him. Because of this accusation, his career is pretty much over. Since he could have been one of the best (as demonstrated by beating magnus) he would have ma…

His chess career. He most certainly has a wealth of other opportunities, and I tend to think of these chess grandmaster types as very capable of being very good at a lot of other things.
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