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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by pessimizer »

bxparks wrote: post #10
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu but does not use snap. Doing "a lot more work" to install an OS does not sound appealing.

Mint is preconfigured Ubuntu that avoids a few user-hostile choices. Techies talking about choosing a Linux seem to careen between Ubuntu/Mint dead-simple consumer stuff and then the other way to Arch, when they decide that they're too expert for Ubuntu (then to Macs, after they have one very rough day with Arch.) Debian is nice, and simple. Takes a little bit of configuring to taste, but configuring the next Debian how you like isn't going to be much different that configuring the last Debian how you liked. Keep a text file that reminds you of any weird config changes you make and why.

It also upgrades in place nicely. Excellent distro for Ubuntu and Mint to base themselves in.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by josephcsible »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #7

of course the only comments so far are people complaining that Ubuntu sucks and their $PREFERRED_DISTRO is better I for one think Steam as a snap is a great idea, and was pleasantly surprised with them taking the feedback about the Firefox snap to heart and actually putting in the work to speed it up. I was gonna install 22.04.1 tonight (finally got fedup with Windows) but I'm gonna try this tonight instead and defin…

> of course the only comments so far are people complaining that Ubuntu sucks and their $PREFERRED_DISTRO is better

I haven't seen a single comment like that. Distinguish "Ubuntu sucks" from "snaps suck". Also, the comments about alternative distros seem to be along the lines of "these distros are the most similar to Ubuntu except without the snaps."

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by Mikeb85 »

bombcar wrote: post #56
aliqot wrote: post #28

Ubuntu seems to be doing a speedrun of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Microsoft will buy Canonical before the decade is out is my thought. Then shall there be two distros of IBM and Microsoft, grinning at each other across a dead land filled with rottenness.

> Microsoft will buy Canonical before the decade is out is my thought.

People have said this for a decade and it still hasn't happened... IMO it won't either. It's privately owned and even if they do go public it's doubtful they'll give away so many shares that they can be taken over... It's Mark Shuttleworth's baby and he doesn't seem to want to sell it.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by ss108 »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #65
ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

It absolutely can and it sounds to me you're not even than capable of using an easy to use distribution like Ubuntu.

I used Ubuntu for a number of years but got tired of shit periodically breaking, having to go through ridiculous hoops to set things up, etc. If wanting an OS that isn't a chore to maintain because I am busy and don't want to be an OS hobbyist, then color me "incapable".

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by brnt »

aliqot wrote: post #23
abvavgjeremy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, but I went with Debian as I wanted to stay in the .deb world.

Let me start by saying Debian rolling release is the truth. That being said, I worry about the archaic community and contributor-tooling behind debian to be a barrier that will lead to its demise though. Makes me sad, but it is what it is. We are all getting old, and to us this interface looks normal, but to new people and those making the apps that the kids depend on, it looks like a shitshow of antiquated code. Nob…

I've also heard criticism of .deb being much more cumbersome than .rpm. Fedora is not my first choice, Debian is, but they are more new-dev friendly.

Maybe Debian needs to port itself to use rpms and Fedora tooling.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by dwaite »

registeredcorn wrote: post #61
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I'm interested to know: What made you choose Arch over Fedora? I had a somewhat similar experience to you and tried Fedora first and it works well. Fedora seems to follow the same "just work" direction that Ubuntu aimed/aims for, minus some aspects I wasn't a fan of. Since Fedora worked for me, I never bothered checking out any other distributions. Was there a big draw to Arch over some of the others, or was it just…

Speaking for myself - Red Hat's package manager cratered on an upgrade in the past (early 2000s) when it ran out of user space, and my investigation was that I hit a pretty core issue with the package manager design itself.

Since it isn't something where I can easily test if the problem still exists, I just avoided RPM completely. That means I have a knowledge and learning benefit in using other systems, and even in learning new (simpler) systems over investing in Fedora.

The split between Fedora and RHEL is also not IMHO as clearly advertised as with other distributions, so I do worry that I will hit a very expensive support wall that might also require me to switch distributions.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by ss108 »

pantalaimon wrote: post #60
ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

I'm running 4 monitors without any issue…

My cofounder is as well, on Xubuntu. Meanwhile, I've had multiple issues getting just 2 to work across years of using Ubuntu (there was a good few year span when I didn't have to fiddle with anything and it did just work). Recently, I had a second monitor running with my Ubuntu installation, but one day the monitor stopped working, and the next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root (?!). Switched to WSL and it's been great.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by brnt »

xtracto wrote: post #67
ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

It's 2022 and you got to go through crazy hoops and loops [1] to use an Nvidia card and an Intel integrated graphics chip in a dual monitor setup. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if you are using Nvidia drivers. Also, I recently tried to configure "touchpad gestures" (3 and 4 finger swipes) and man it was super painful (one method doesn't work (touchegg), the other is archaic and you have to restart the OS to change any s…

Tbh, I've used multi monitor setup for at least a decade now without doing anything but plug them in. That's on a variety of GPU manufacturer hardware.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by jeffbee »

I've been tracking Kinetic dev and the way they do the kernel is baffling. It was static for months, then right before the kernel freeze they just merged in a huge pile of junk that they didn't understand, which broke a ton of important things including Intel iGPUs, Intel wifi, and even booting on Intel 11th generation and later CPUs. No integration tests or anything. With the release kernel i915 graphics are still glitchy as hell and Intel Wifi 6E doesn't work.

I don't think the dev->freeze->release system works correctly.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by everybodyknows »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #26
severino wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also use Ubuntu a lot, and while I'm disappointed about this Snap thing, I'm still not looking for alternatives. At least until 22.04 I could dodge snaps pretty easily, but now, since Firefox is now a snap package, things went worse, at least for me. I gave it a try and, while the experience was not as bad as I feared, I soon encountered problems with things like trying to use a smartcard reader for signing documen…

> Maybe I should give Pop OS a try... I'm a big fan: it's like Ubuntu, but with much of Canonical's divisive changes reverted, and with a few other improvements. I switched from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS a few releases back when I got a System76 computer. (I also use it on my Lenovo laptop.)

Does System76 have a sustainable business? My concern would be putting time invested into their tech, then later finding support gone wrong.
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