Why are people still using Mongo when you can just set up a jsonb column in Postgres now? Is this just legacy applications that are stuck with Mongo? Certainly nobody is starting new projects on Mongo? Serious question.
Why would you have a dev team who has used mongo before and is comfortable with it move to a different DB? Serious question.
Cloud costs are in a bubble
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#22I find it interesting that there are two MongoDb Directors of Developer Relations in this thread - one former, one current - either attempting to replicate the suggested costs to see if the author's faking it, or outright blaming him he is. Dude's got a screenshot. I doubt he faked it for the attention - he probably actually got that bill. He feels it's expensive and he should pay less for the value he's getting cons…
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#23The most valuable information for the average HN reader, especially younger colleagues who have only been in the workforce for the last decade, is that the ~70% gross margins of the hyperscalers, and by extension the $300k+ salaries for early career software developers, has been fueled by a temporary era of low central bank interest rates and an excess of VC capital. This era is almost certainly coming to a close. We…
This is just incredibly frustrating and disheartening to read. How is one supposed to plan for a future in this career when your lifestyle can just disappear overnight?
Plan like everyone else in your country who has to deal with this uncertainty on significantly lower salaries.
Budget. Save. Trim expenditure. And enjoy your career because you chose it as a career, not because it allowed you a lifestyle.
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#24I find it interesting that there are two MongoDb Directors of Developer Relations in this thread - one former, one current - either attempting to replicate the suggested costs to see if the author's faking it, or outright blaming him he is. Dude's got a screenshot. I doubt he faked it for the attention - he probably actually got that bill. He feels it's expensive and he should pay less for the value he's getting cons…
MongoDB Atlas runs on the big 3 clouds, and of course you're going to pay more for a fully managed service, as opposed to hosting it yourself directly on the big 3, but racking up $2,500 in serverless compute charges in 24 hours seems very very hard to do, and especially by accident.
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#25Be it VC money, or just general apathy, it seems cloud costs are rarely a priority. My biggest gripe is when see that justification that goes like, "developer's time is $100/hr and better spent elsewhere." Okay, I agree, doing something like self-hosting everything to reduce costs would be a terrible idea, but there's a fine balance. In 2019, Lyft spent $300M on AWS [1]. Sure, it's a big service, but are you seriousl…
For better or worse a lot of folks are allergic to this. A framing that I’ve seen is to just understand the cost drivers from a technical perspective, for example large materialized views in BigQuery consume a lot of CPU. That’s technically interesting and it’s the reason they’re expensive.
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#27With the right offering and the right software you can build something just 10% as good as some of the hyperscalers and have an amazing company.
Competing on price is not a sin, and it's what I'm working on/betting on.
That said, I think the real big threat to the hyperscalers is cheap chips and more people being able to treat datacenters like parking lots (nice ways to use capital to generate cashflow) -- the commoditization of data center operations.
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This is just incredibly frustrating and disheartening to read. How is one supposed to plan for a future in this career when your lifestyle can just disappear overnight?
> This is just incredibly frustrating and disheartening to read. How is one supposed to plan for a future in this career when your lifestyle can just disappear overnight? Plan like everyone else in your country who has to deal with this uncertainty on significantly lower salaries. Budget. Save. Trim expenditure. And enjoy your career because you chose it as a career, not because it allowed you a lifestyle.
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#30The most valuable information for the average HN reader, especially younger colleagues who have only been in the workforce for the last decade, is that the ~70% gross margins of the hyperscalers, and by extension the $300k+ salaries for early career software developers, has been fueled by a temporary era of low central bank interest rates and an excess of VC capital. This era is almost certainly coming to a close. We…
Always good advice to budget and prepare for the worst, but wow this is a big stretch from the article. Of the large salary companies - Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are in the cloud space. Google doesn't make most of its profits from cloud. Netflix and Facebook don't sell these services at all. Dropbox and Digital Ocean (and sort of Cloudflare) are also in the cloud space and aren't known for such salaries. It's pos…
It's always so hard to nail down AdTech, to the outsider it seems like a world filled with bots and bad data and fueled by FOMO. Probably a good chunk of Google's revenue comes from companies that don't really need to advertise, but do so anyways so they won't loose their "competitive edge"