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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by insanitybit »

lostlogin wrote: post #407
permo-w wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicola Sturgeon said that she detests the Tories. her own party (the Scottish National Party, whose central goal is Scottish independence) distanced themselves from those comments. Labour are not saying things like this. the Lib Dems are not saying things like this. and the Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either this is the exception not the rule, and as evidence of this, it’s something that’s been t…

> Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either Maybe not, but pretending they are better while ignoring the homophobia, racism, sexism and offensive class warfare from the like of Boris Johnson seems disingenuous.

It's not disingenuous it's just not related to those issues. You can talk about the government having a sense of decorum without addressing policy issues.

The fact is that Johnson was ousted by his own party, as was Truss. That would never happen in the US because it's party before everything.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by pc86 »

lenkite wrote: post #352
pc86 wrote: post #204

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Reading? In this economy? The gall! No offense but if the idea of finding 5 candidates you can feel comfortable voting for is too much work, you shouldn't be voting.

I already have a job. Parsing 5 from 55 sounds like paid work not voting.

Please never vote.

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Post by sbuk »

factcheckdec wrote: post #442
Gordonjcp wrote: post #267

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It's an extremely biased opinion, and I make no apologies. I think every single living member of every Tory cabinet present and past should be strung up in Parliament Square. I'm not in any sense unclear about my views on them. We have had twelve years of disastrous Tory austerity that has comprehensively destroyed the UK's economy. What's the plan? Let them keep trying until they get something right? How long is it…

@dang, here's a member calling for the execution of members of a political party.

No - he’s expressing an opinion; “I think…”.

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Post by jlokier »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #296
matthewmacleod wrote: post #203

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He, and many others, actually does seem to have the support of a lot of the party. Liz Truss didn't - she just had the support of the current party leadership. This is pretty much the exact opposite of true – Truss had the support of the membership, and did not have the support of the "leadership" or the parliamentary party. Sunak was the other way round. At the same time, they did just have an election, so it's not…

They will definitely have a leadership election. Lots of people here and labor-aligned folks in the UK want another general election.

Perhaps worth adding that right now, according to polls, a large majority of UK folks are labour-aligned, a complete U-turn compared with how they voted in the 2019 general election.

The current prime minister was voted into position by just 0.2% of the population (conservative party members only - unlike the USA, very few people are registered members of any party in the UK). That was not just a vote for a person, it was a vote for their radical change of policy direction as well, which they set out before the vote.

Yet another prime minister voted in by 0.2% of the population who are particularly unrepresentive, to enact policies diametrically opposed to the formal manifesto pledges at the last general election, is about as far as you can get from what the people appear to want.

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Post by ycombigator »

chrisseaton wrote: post #346
pfdietz wrote: post #335

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> 40x larger What.

Sorry thinking of land mass - population of 5x larger. But the absolute number is larger, even ignoring the population size, so not sure what the person I was replying to means.

Looking from the outside, I think US political discourse IS far more hostile.

Britain won't accept things like Politicians being harassed, or one politician calling for other politicians to be harassed (and that's before we even get to anything Trump related).

And the amount of references I see to "civil war" when wandering across anything relating to US politics (i.e. not zero) is disturbing.

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Post by rayiner »

lostlogin wrote: post #443
PaulHoule wrote: post #408

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It's a different kind of turmoil than we have in the US. I subscribe to The Economist which would like to support the Tories but has had nothing but contempt for Teresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. Some people say that the Democrats in the US are like the losers in professional wrestling but the complete incompetence and inability of Labor to get elected makes it possible for conservatives to get elected by pand…

> It's a different kind of turmoil than we have in the US. 100%. The inability of Labour to make headway at this time is so depressing. The common ground between the UK and the US is the inability to find and promote leaders with a combination of age, charisma and ability on their side. If their best are those elected, the future is grim.

Labour has nobody to blame but themselves. They walked the exact same path that democrats did in the US—abandoning their working class base in favor of college educated liberals. The error in that approach became clearer more quickly for them because they don’t have (as much) the added overlay of racial sectarianism to keep working class minorities voting for them.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by pc86 »

domh wrote: post #88

Only 45 days in the post; shortest in UK history. She tanked the economy quicker than anyone before. It's quite impressive how you can mess up this bad. Borrowing money to pay for tax cuts for the rich... Unbelievable.

> Borrowing money to pay for tax cuts for the rich... Unbelievable.

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by light_hue_1 »

scott_w wrote: post #389
light_hue_1 wrote: post #359

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Why wouldn't you be honest about this? It's on Wikipedia! Starmer went to Oxford. "gained a postgraduate Bachelor of Civil Law degree at St Edmund Hall at the University of Oxford in 1986." In the past 50 years there have only been 3 PMs not from Oxford. It has nothing to do with conservatives or labor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_t...

Postgraduate degrees are VERY different from undergraduate degrees, typically being a year long and being a lot less integrated into the "student lifestyle." Where you spend your time as an undergrad is a lot more impactful on who you interact with and how your worldview is formed than the time you may spend as a postgrad.

He has a degree from Oxford. Which you left out to make your side look better.

I think it's time to look in the mirror and see that your preconceptions and biases are making you overlook reality. Like.. obvious reality. Reality that's so obvious it's in Wikipedia info boxes.

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Post by p0pcult »

spoils19 wrote: post #221

Another disappointing result for conservative politics worldwide. While her character may be in question, her policies were on point. I do hope that we're not starting to see a whiplash effect where people are against good, reasoned, conservative policy for the sake of a few bad calls.

Which policy was on point? Borrowing to fund tax cuts for the rich?

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Post by smcl »

tomp wrote: post #189
Gordonjcp wrote: post #101

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This will be the fourth unelected PM in six years (okay, Boris Johnson did actually win a GE after being foisted upon us, if you think that counts). It's time for an early General Election. This lot need to go. Every trace of the Tories must be obliterated. The hilarious part is, the way that polling stands right now, a General Election would result in a strong Labour majority with the Scottish National Party in oppo…

> It's time for an early General Election. Every trace of the Tories must be obliterated. Sounds like completely unbiased opinion. /s More seriously, I'm only interested in hearing the arguments for a general election from nominal conservative (Tory) supporters. All arguments from leftists are just "we want to win" in disguise so are completely untrustworthy. From what I understand of UK politics, Johnson won the las…

> All arguments from leftists are just "we want to win"

The argument is that the party is being eviscerated in opinion polling, they’ve lost the support of the public and that since they're effectively doomed they're free to do what we know they love to do - attempt to secure themselves a role in the private sector for after the election. Given that this it the Conservative party, it's not exactly a secret that they'll try their best to gut the state in order to do so.

And the idea that Labour in 2022 is “leftist” is laughable. The party threw an election and enacted a campaign to remove members it considered left-wing (“trot hunting”). They’re not the left, they’re just probably not going to actively fuck up the country quite as severely as the Conservatives seem hellbent on doing

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