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Re: An account was suspended

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Post by morby »

pentae wrote: post #178
briffle wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is not political censorship, it is illegal for US businesses to do business with Russia because of sanctions. The sanctions themselves are political, but not following them is not a choice for US businesses.

When they decided to terminate Parler not even giving them time to move hosts, that wasn't political censorship?

There were extremists on the site making calls to violence. A *private* entity deciding they don’t want to do business with a company because of that is neither censorship as a society would consider it nor is it problematic. More people and businesses should be willing to refuse business to entities that seek to harass, abuse, or promote violence to another group of people. What you’re worried about is governmental action and is not equivalent here.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by lapcat »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #195
lapcat wrote: post #179

As a longtime Twitter user, I personally feel that the Twitter spam problem is vastly overstated. I'm not talking about the total amount of spam, I'm talking about its effect on individual users. I occasionally get spam replies, but not very often. I just block the account, problem solved. I don't feel it affects my overall Twitter experience much. In fact, I'm vastly more annoyed by real humans who reply to me with…

There is a lot of spam you don't see that affects you: bot rings that push topics in trending and lastest tweets that end up in your time line for example. Or voting bots that reinforce the outrage culture. Scam bots that prey on weak users in popular accounts (read any elo musk tweet responses for a sample). And bot oushing empty publication to hashtags that makes parsing it with a python script terrible. Just becau…

> bot rings that push topics in trending

I have a browser extension that hides trending topics, so I don't see that at all.

> tweets that end up in your time line for example

I just said that I use the reverse chronological timeline that only shows tweets from my follows.

> Or voting bots that reinforce the outrage culture.

"I'm vastly more annoyed by real humans who reply to me with insults."

> read any elo musk tweet responses for a sample

I've blocked that account.

> And bot oushing empty publication to hashtags

Why would you even read hashtags?

> Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't make the experience worst.

What I see on Twitter is my experience. It's largely your own choice what you see on Twitter.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by shadowgovt »

michaelmcdonald wrote: post #2

Ben's account is already un-suspended, but only because he has a major presence and large audience (I would be shocked if people at Twitter didn't see this minutes into it happening or if Ben didn't have some direct line to various high up employees there). For the rest of us peasants: good luck getting help.

What are the practical alternatives? I'd imagine this is an issue one would see less often on a Mastodon node, as nodes tend to have fewer users per node so moderators / admins can respond more promptly to system failures, and if one doesn't like how an admin is running affairs, one can switch nodes.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by JadeNB »

josephcsible wrote: post #145
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #29

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There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have. Underlying moderation is some shared vision of decency - morality claims that should be enforced via justice. These claims certainly don't exist across nation borders, and they barely exist within a given nation's borders. The bot moderation conundrum is a wholly second moderation question layered on to…

> There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have. Haven't Wikipedia and Stack Overflow figured out the right way to moderate at scale?

> Haven't Wikipedia and Stack Overflow figured out the right way to moderate at scale?

I think their different goals make it easier (which is not to say easy!) to figure out an appropriate moderation style. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it is easier to impose norms on an encyclopedia than a social platform. I don't have such a pithy summary of what SO is, but, as basically a knowledge repository rather than a social platform, it, too, can afford to impose certain norms that would stifle a social space. And yet, even with this head start, they can still face considerable flare-ups of controversy!

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

lapcat wrote: post #203
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of spam you don't see that affects you: bot rings that push topics in trending and lastest tweets that end up in your time line for example. Or voting bots that reinforce the outrage culture. Scam bots that prey on weak users in popular accounts (read any elo musk tweet responses for a sample). And bot oushing empty publication to hashtags that makes parsing it with a python script terrible. Just becau…

> bot rings that push topics in trending I have a browser extension that hides trending topics, so I don't see that at all. > tweets that end up in your time line for example I just said that I use the reverse chronological timeline that only shows tweets from my follows. > Or voting bots that reinforce the outrage culture. "I'm vastly more annoyed by real humans who reply to me with insults." > read any elo musk twe…

So what your saying is that if you use twitter in a certain way, bots won't affect you much.

I agree, and I do the same as you.

But driving in a certain way to avoid pot holes should not be a good reason to avoid fixing the road.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by JadeNB »

mschuster91 wrote: post #162
matthewdgreen wrote: post #157

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Twitter sees 829,094,400 tweets/day. Wikipedia has 166,666 edits/day. So we're already talking about a factor of nearly 5000x. The number of contributors is also spectacularly different: according to [1] Wikipedia had edits from only 122,821 distinct users in the last 30 days. Twitter claims 237.8 million mDAU (which could be a low or high count, since the "m" stands for monetizable and users may not post.) [1] https…

But only a tiny fraction of the 829 M tweets a day are abusive.

> But only a tiny fraction of the 829 M tweets a day are abusive.

But you have to read all 829 M to find the abusive ones—and you have to agree on what 'abusive' means.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by insane_dreamer »

1123581321 wrote: post #134
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #67

I'm a big fan of Ben Thompson, and I'm not necessarily on Twitter's side here, but this to me seems more like a case of Ben whining about "Spam is when someone else sends it". From his own words, this "Stratechery Interviews" account was a new account that only sent out tweets of links from multiple locations around the world. In other words, the only thing really distinguishing it from spam on a technical level is t…

I don’t think you’re familiar with this use of Twitter. Since accounts can’t easily be partially followed by certain keywords or hashtags, creators will create additional accounts as notification channels for some of their content that their audience can choose to follow. It’s not spam because the delivery is wanted by those following the account. These channels don’t try to engage accounts that are uninterested in t…

If only there was some technology that easily allowed people to be notified of certain content only ....

RSS, we miss you

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by rchaud »

ipqk wrote: post #78
_madmax_ wrote: post #27

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At this point in time I think I am comfortable saying the web is more detrimental to humans than Television ever was.

I remember when Arab Spring was happening and thinking how amazing social media was going to be.

I certainly remember waves of American newscasters declaring Twitter as a force for democracy when regimes were falling in Egypt, Algeria and Tunisia. America again leading the way in global freedom, etc.

They weren't as enthusiastic on January 6th, 2021. That was Twitter-led too.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by Karliss »

Izkata wrote: post #187
jacobriis wrote: post #35

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It's such a power move to dictate things that don't make sense or that are internally inconsistent. Suspended: Caused to stop for a while; interrupted or delayed. You are permanently stopped for a while. Unfortunately: Happening through bad luck Through bad luck (not an intentional decision we are making), our policy prohibits that. Unfortunately, your account has been permanently suspended.

Also, > has been "we didn't do it, it just sort of happened"

That actually somewhat correct description of situation. Computer heuristic randomly banning users, with "careful review" not involving any humans or at least humans who care about results. They did make the system but afterwards it just does stuff by itself.
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