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San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

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Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

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post #53

Paris has automatically self-cleaning public toilets all around and they cost around $200k each to build and install. There’s no way this is a remotely reasonable cost and is clearly a grift.

The cost isn't in the toilet itself, it's in all of the politics that will go into it. People will fight against it, there will be scrutiny in its design, etc.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#92

I would never step foot into a public SF toliet. Last time I went in there the homeless shit all over the floor and toliet and walls. I went in and nearly threw up. A homeless person pointed and laughed at me. Fuck that.

Public toilets aren't really for you, they're for the people who have nowhere else.

> Public toilets aren't really for you, they're for the people who have nowhere else.

This is an incredibly stockholm-syndrome take. If you live in a place that isn't a total failed state, normal people actually can use the public toilets!

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#93

One of my jobs is in the public service. This seems like the usual case of public servants doing everything possible to avoid someone being unhappy with them later. Consultations, union workers, tons and tons of approvals, etc. Remember, you can't really win as a government worker. The priority is not to lose. You want every little concern addressed? You want layers and layers of accountability? You want the top conc…

You say that like these public servants care about everyone but the taxpayers footing the bill.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#94
post #82

> San Francisco, which is struggling with a troubling homelessness and public-defecation crisis, needs more public toilets. The irony in this statement, given the reasons why this toilet costs so much, is absolutely unreal. I had to check the date on this article to make sure it wasn't an old April's Fools skit or something, but it seems red tape and NIMBYism have escalated to such a degree in SF that (a) securing bu…

Red tape and nimbyism is hard to imagine from what I see of SFO in books, it seems like the most anti-diversity thing you can do. Can anybody from SFO relate their experience? Hard to tell these days what is editorial bias or sensationalism and what is true.

SFO is the airport. I'm very confused by this comment. We're not all working at Google right now.

MTV, SFO, MPK and all of this lingo is not familiar to all

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#95

I would never step foot into a public SF toliet. Last time I went in there the homeless shit all over the floor and toliet and walls. I went in and nearly threw up. A homeless person pointed and laughed at me. Fuck that.

Public toilets aren't really for you, they're for the people who have nowhere else.

Ideally, public toilets are for everyone - for the public...

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean there is nothing wrong with the whole "built-by-union-workers"-thingy. its more all of the Bureaucracy involved thats stupid.

There is if they were selected for any reason other than offering the cheapest price.

sometimes there are other factors besides the price tag. not to defend the ridiculous amount being wasted on this.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public toilets aren't really for you, they're for the people who have nowhere else.

Ideally, public toilets are for everyone - for the public...

And ideally people wouldn't be homeless, but here we are in reality.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#98

Remember the jokes about the military overspending on toilet seats? It seems like it’s a bipartisan past time to waste taxpayers money on foolishly over expensive pet projects.

It is a bipartisan pass-time (not past-time, you must have been auto-corrected) to accuse the government of wasting money. And then forcing them to waste money by shifting their tasks and priorities followed by blaming them again for the waste. The military overspending was on hammers. And the politician forgot to mention that these were hammers for use in a munitions factory, where it was rather important that the h…

Attack the other team for their spending.

To gain power and direct the spending to your team.

Rinse and repeat.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#99

I would never step foot into a public SF toliet. Last time I went in there the homeless shit all over the floor and toliet and walls. I went in and nearly threw up. A homeless person pointed and laughed at me. Fuck that.

Public toilets aren't really for you, they're for the people who have nowhere else.

This may be true in San Francisco and certainly is in many other parts of the U.S.

It is not true in places with functioning government.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#100
post #72

Paris has over 400 public toilets, called sanisettes[0], and they work pretty well when they are in service. I doubt they cost ~$1.7m each. [0] https://europeforvisitors.com/paris/articles/paris-public-to...

i wouldn't really set paris as an example for this particular issue.

It's certainly getting better with time, but we're far from anything decent

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