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Re: An account was suspended

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It's important to note that the suspended account didn't send any replies, or even retweet or like any other accounts. Presumably it didn't send any unsolicited DMs either. The account was not harming or annoying anyone. Does it even qualify as "spam"?

It pains me to think that we gave up on RSS for this.

Twitter used to have RSS! Unfortunately they killed RSS support in 2012.

Re: An account was suspended

#142

So, this all falls under the category heading of "this private company's product or service is now too important to have it denied for arbitrary or unclear reasons". This is, in fact, not a new problem; we even have a word for this kind of good or service: "utility". There was a time when phone service, electricity, etc. was just an ordinary private company that you contracted with, who could do whatever private comp…

I know reasonably well some ex FB people from the early days (early 2010s, well before IPO). They explicitly defined FB as a 'utility' - based on how users react during outages and usage patterns.

I think that your definition is not only spot on, but actually what social media platforms themselves interpret their role.

Re: An account was suspended

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> On the other hand, how does all of the obvious spam not get caught?

The vast majority of the obvious spam is almost certainly getting caught. Ben is making the elementary error only judging things based on what he sees (what makes it through), and totally forgetting to consider not what he doesn't see (the stuff that was blocked).

Being annoyed at the "after careful review" bit in a situation where no human review would have happened is fair though.

Re: An account was suspended

#144

Ben's account is already un-suspended, but only because he has a major presence and large audience (I would be shocked if people at Twitter didn't see this minutes into it happening or if Ben didn't have some direct line to various high up employees there). For the rest of us peasants: good luck getting help.

Even blue checkmarks don't help against trolls, far right and griefers running mass-report attacks. The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has, and that it does nothing against raid instigators. Reddit at least has subreddit mods take care of most of the bullshit and at least the large subreddit mods have direct connections to Reddit, and Reddit…

Blue checkmarks have been a joke for years. And imagine using Reddit as an example of "good" moderation.

Re: An account was suspended

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even blue checkmarks don't help against trolls, far right and griefers running mass-report attacks. The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has, and that it does nothing against raid instigators. Reddit at least has subreddit mods take care of most of the bullshit and at least the large subreddit mods have direct connections to Reddit, and Reddit…

There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have. Underlying moderation is some shared vision of decency - morality claims that should be enforced via justice. These claims certainly don't exist across nation borders, and they barely exist within a given nation's borders. The bot moderation conundrum is a wholly second moderation question layered on to…

> There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have.

Haven't Wikipedia and Stack Overflow figured out the right way to moderate at scale?

Re: An account was suspended

#146
> Crypto spamming with Elon Musk's avatar? Not a bot!

> Stratechery Interviews? NO TWEET FOR YOU

Pretty derpy take. People understand the math on this right? There are literally teams of hundreds or thousands of people who, day in and day out, are spinning up bots in the desperate hope that one will get seen by an actual user, and every once in a while, they break through.

On the other hand, if you say anything controversial to any audience, it's trivial to whip up a brigade of people to report the content, and when enough people report something, it's going to cause a suspension, at least temporarily, no matter how benign it is.

Re: An account was suspended

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post #31

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Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

I find Twitter amazing. (though I'm currently suspended again - https://twitter.com/breckyunits ). The trick is not to have a smart phone. When I'm coding I can pop in and out of Twitter. But then when I close the lid I'm unplugged.

I took Twitter off my laptop and kept it only on my phone. This keeps it from competing with work. (Unfortunately now HN competes with work.)

Re: An account was suspended

#148

He goes into detail: > It’s the “after careful review” line that has me riled up tbh. I can understand why an automated system suspended it. Don’t lie to me! -- https://twitter.com/benthompson/status/1583063313948499969 And yeah, I have to agree. I absolutely hate it when providers (shipping companies are great at this) tell me obvious lies. Hey, I can handle issues and problems. What I can’t handle are lies.

I'm confused about what he means. "After careful review" means that a human double checked it right?

Yes, that's what that means. He's upset because a human didn't actually double check it, so Twitter is lying by saying that.

Re: An account was suspended

#149

He goes into detail: > It’s the “after careful review” line that has me riled up tbh. I can understand why an automated system suspended it. Don’t lie to me! -- https://twitter.com/benthompson/status/1583063313948499969 And yeah, I have to agree. I absolutely hate it when providers (shipping companies are great at this) tell me obvious lies. Hey, I can handle issues and problems. What I can’t handle are lies.

I'm confused about what he means. "After careful review" means that a human double checked it right?

> I'm confused about what he means. "After careful review" means that a human double checked it right?

I think he's angry that didn't actually carefully review anything.

Which probably means "careful" is one of those words that sounds positive but is legally meaningless, so corporations will abuse it shamelessly for propaganda purposes.

Re: An account was suspended

#150

Ben's account is already un-suspended, but only because he has a major presence and large audience (I would be shocked if people at Twitter didn't see this minutes into it happening or if Ben didn't have some direct line to various high up employees there). For the rest of us peasants: good luck getting help.

Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

That is basically how I feel about my LinkedIn. Now I am actually working on a personal replacement of that online presence piece. Frankly, it was high time.
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