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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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> it likely to buy a significant amount of time for the monarchy if Charles III does the same. Can you expand on this? Is it just because he would be more popular if he dismissed parliament and another election was called?

The average Brit seems to want a general election more than the Tories do.

I certainly do, but what I want much less is for the King to wield anything other than ceremonial power

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What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

Every time I think the USA is completely ruined, I remember how much worse the citizens of the UK have it. I remote worked for a London based CTO for years, with a science Phd, and to hear him discuss UK politics gave me an insight how effective propaganda and being immersed in a culture impacts one's judgement.

I am from Brazil, at least you don't have "Electoral Judges" that will happily fuck with the elections and ignore constitution to make sure their preferred candidate win.

The Electoral Judges in Brazil, are censoring actual facts, because despite being facts, they consider it "misinformation", it go so bad that a former supreme court judge of ours got censored for explaining something technical... Despite the fact our constitution explicitly bans any form of censorship. (ironically, as defense against US... our constitution promotes free speech to prevent CIA from subverting the country again).

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He didn't do badly in the last election. He doesn't have the full support of the party, but neither had Truss, and who really does in the first place, especially when things are not going so well?

Do you expect a different outcome?

With Sunak as PM? Yes. He pretty much called Truss's plans stupid in so many words, and predicted the effects during the last leadership election. This is not really an especially high bar to clear as many people said so. The question isn't whether Sunak is the best possible PM, but what the best possible option is right now given the circumstances: a somewhat stable and "normal" person as PM vs. a general election?

It's easy to say "Tories bad, they got to go", but it's not that simple.

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What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

Cynical but I think it's worth considering that the last couple of PMs to leave might have been offered a comfortable retirement by people around the party in order to not call an election. Not in the "here's a bag of money" sense but pretty close, as in "listen I'll make sure you'll always be on the after dinner circuit".

I think generally a seat in the Lords is the going rate

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I know this topic is important in substance and the thing I'm about to say is an aesthetic issue, but as an American watching this unfold I have admired the Brits for the sense of heart that still seems to be present in their politics. I'm referring to the parliamentary sessions in which, even though they're savagely roasting each other, they're doing in a way that feels somehow good-hearted and doesn't lay bare the…

I’m sorry if this is really how you feel about US politics but there is still healthy debate to be had (and that people are having) regardless of those who are “shouting the loudest”.

The media veneer around US politics is just that. If anything, it’s helped unearth (some would say legitimize) things that have always been here. I’d rather it be like it is than festering under the surface.

There’s a lot of people “saying the quiet thing out loud” on both sides that needs to be fully processed by the American people, no matter how polarizing.

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Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

It would be a mistake to think those people "dumb", IMO. Worst of the worst, possible/probable, but even the bubbliest of ding-dongs in pop culture did not get to their positions by being "dumb". The narrative is designed for deception to garner their objective: sales, votes, distraction, etc...

Yes. A talent for winning elections is something. It isn't a talent for governing or evidence of policy wisdom, but it is a talent. Sometimes a lack of scruples or shame can be a talent, too.

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The entire population was able to vote to elect the party, and the party then elected her as PM. Her position was 100% legitimate, whether you like it or not.

Legitimate only means that the :rules: were followed and nothing more. It does not mean that the rules or the system they reside in are just.

I never claimed otherwise. I just answered to the comment stating that she was illigetimally in her position, as if the UK was a dictatorship, which isn't the case.

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I know this topic is important in substance and the thing I'm about to say is an aesthetic issue, but as an American watching this unfold I have admired the Brits for the sense of heart that still seems to be present in their politics. I'm referring to the parliamentary sessions in which, even though they're savagely roasting each other, they're doing in a way that feels somehow good-hearted and doesn't lay bare the…

Fellow American, asking earnestly - are both examples just products of the media environment of their respective countries? Does the UK still have popular media outlets that aren't solely pushing corporate agendas?

I think the BBC still counts, though I left the country in 2018 and most of my subsequent experience of the BBC has been the satirical news quizzes "Have I Got News For You", "Mock The Week" (TV), and "The News Quiz" (radio/podcast).

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Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

> At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way I have a wild idea. What if we try to select people based on their respective expertise in an area, rather than based on just popularity? If they have a science/knowledge background, even better. Since it's based on skill and governance, we can call it something like "tekhne kratos", taking inspiration fr…

Then we have to pick some people to choose the person. I guess we could vote on those people. We could call this body a Parliament.

Oh woops we're back where we started.

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George Canning died in office, he wasn’t pushed out for being a miserable failure who crashed the economy.

>>a miserable failure who crashed the economy. Can somebody from the UK tell us what did she do that the economy crashed, in just under two months?

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/uk-news/a-timeline-...

September 23rd onward is pretty much how she ended up in this position.

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