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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by coldpie »

samwillis wrote: post #47
raesene9 wrote: post #19

What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

I think whoever is elected as the next Conservative leader needs to call a general election immediately. There is no mandate for a government formed by yet another Tory leader. The world is such a different place to 2019, there is no way they can argue that they are a continuation of the previous mandate.

Do I understand correctly that you're saying the people who control the gov't right now should choose to call an early election that they're almost certainly going to lose? That seems unlikely.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by fragmede »

Jgrubb wrote: post #112
hairofadog wrote: post #90

I know this topic is important in substance and the thing I'm about to say is an aesthetic issue, but as an American watching this unfold I have admired the Brits for the sense of heart that still seems to be present in their politics. I'm referring to the parliamentary sessions in which, even though they're savagely roasting each other, they're doing in a way that feels somehow good-hearted and doesn't lay bare the…

Fellow American, asking earnestly - are both examples just products of the media environment of their respective countries? Does the UK still have popular media outlets that aren't solely pushing corporate agendas?

Depends how cynical you want to be about the BBC, I suppose. The fact that the "C" in BBC stands for corporation is not lost on me, however.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by cjrp »

Beltalowda wrote: post #99
raesene9 wrote: post #19

What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

On one hand I'd love a general election, but on the other hand I feel what's most needed now is a kind of stability and level-headedness that has been lacking with the last two PMs. From what I can tell, Sunak might actually do a pretty good job there; and for the time being that may be preferable over the delays and uncertainty of a general election. At least for now, considering the state of things.

The trouble is he doesn’t have the support of much of the party, and that inherently leads to instability.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by 1980phipsi »

mcv wrote: post #85
bsenftner wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I think the USA is completely ruined, I remember how much worse the citizens of the UK have it. I remote worked for a London based CTO for years, with a science Phd, and to hear him discuss UK politics gave me an insight how effective propaganda and being immersed in a culture impacts one's judgement.

Both countries suffer from winner-takes-all district systems, and would probably be much improved by a system of proportional representation.

Because Italy and Israel benefit so much from their proportional representation systems...

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by iam-TJ »

kingsloi wrote: post #18
iam-TJ wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was a Cabbage! - since 'cabbage' has a double-meaning in colloquial English meaning 'incapable' :D I think the journalists(!?) missed a trick there.

unless the lettuce is wet?

Wet Lettuce, Damp Squib, any more!?

I always thought Truss was more like an Android than anyone I've ever encountered. Lack of emotive expressions, eyes that seemed to stare rather than scan, and so on.

Maybe later we'll find it was a failed A.I. experiment by Cambridge Analytica/Facebook !

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by klelatti »

kamaal wrote: post #93
samwillis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

George Canning died in office, he wasn’t pushed out for being a miserable failure who crashed the economy.

>>a miserable failure who crashed the economy. Can somebody from the UK tell us what did she do that the economy crashed, in just under two months?

Lost the confidence of the market for UK government debt pushing up borrowing costs for government and for others (as well as causing problems for pension funds who own that debt).

She did this by launching a series of unfunded tax cuts and doing so without an assessment of the impact on the UK's finances.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by gonzo41 »

mcv wrote: post #85
bsenftner wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I think the USA is completely ruined, I remember how much worse the citizens of the UK have it. I remote worked for a London based CTO for years, with a science Phd, and to hear him discuss UK politics gave me an insight how effective propaganda and being immersed in a culture impacts one's judgement.

Both countries suffer from winner-takes-all district systems, and would probably be much improved by a system of proportional representation.

Rank choice and optional preferential voting have their own special tyranny. I just voted for a council election where I had to order at least 5 alderman out of 55 listed candidates. No parties, no voting guides. It was a lot of reading for me.
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