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RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
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Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#32It's not going to happen. I'd love the UK to rejoin the EU but there isn't the political will to do, either here or in the EU27. Remember too it only takes any one of the remaining constituent nations to veto any membership consideration - and that's only after a process of political wrangling which can take a decade or more. If international treaties are famous for anything, it's that they are formed at glacial pace…
I have a genuine question which I have been wondering about for sole time:
Is there anything positive to this “one nation can veto everything” rule? It feels like this is really blocking a lot of progress in the EU where some of the right-spectrum nations can simply block anything or bargain from.
Why do we have this rule and is it hard to get rid of it?
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#33It's not going to happen. I'd love the UK to rejoin the EU but there isn't the political will to do, either here or in the EU27. Remember too it only takes any one of the remaining constituent nations to veto any membership consideration - and that's only after a process of political wrangling which can take a decade or more. If international treaties are famous for anything, it's that they are formed at glacial pace…
I have a genuine question which I have been wondering about for sole time: Is there anything positive to this “one nation can veto everything” rule? It feels like this is really blocking a lot of progress in the EU where some of the right-spectrum nations can simply block anything or bargain from. Why do we have this rule and is it hard to get rid of it?
Yes, there is. The rule means that nothing can be forced onto any nation.
Many people, and nations, would be hesitant to join a union where you can be coerced to tolerate neighbors you otherwise wouldn't. Hence the idea of consensus.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#34It's not going to happen. I'd love the UK to rejoin the EU but there isn't the political will to do, either here or in the EU27. Remember too it only takes any one of the remaining constituent nations to veto any membership consideration - and that's only after a process of political wrangling which can take a decade or more. If international treaties are famous for anything, it's that they are formed at glacial pace…
I have a genuine question which I have been wondering about for sole time: Is there anything positive to this “one nation can veto everything” rule? It feels like this is really blocking a lot of progress in the EU where some of the right-spectrum nations can simply block anything or bargain from. Why do we have this rule and is it hard to get rid of it?
In practice the EU has already got rid of this rule in almost every area, for that exact reason. However, it means that the arguments for leaving the EU get stronger. It used to be that a good answer to opposition to the EU was "but they can't force us to do anything because there's a veto". Now it's very far from that.
It's that exact trend that led to Brexit in the first place - your comment shows why it's problematic perfectly. EU supporters see it as a way to force left wing politics onto populations that otherwise would reject it.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#35But this time the EU will make no exceptions for the UK! So they have to agree to metric units, the Euro and right-hand traffic.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#36It's not going to happen. I'd love the UK to rejoin the EU but there isn't the political will to do, either here or in the EU27. Remember too it only takes any one of the remaining constituent nations to veto any membership consideration - and that's only after a process of political wrangling which can take a decade or more. If international treaties are famous for anything, it's that they are formed at glacial pace…
I have a genuine question which I have been wondering about for sole time: Is there anything positive to this “one nation can veto everything” rule? It feels like this is really blocking a lot of progress in the EU where some of the right-spectrum nations can simply block anything or bargain from. Why do we have this rule and is it hard to get rid of it?
Because we don't have a real European public and open discourse. It is just some losers online that happen to speak English as a common language. But even then you wouldn't know anything about domestic politics in Bulgaria (assuming your aren't from there).
You cannot really get to anything you can call democratic voting, it would be so random and indirect that it would basically become meaningless. So states still need a hard veto for themselves and the direction the EU will develop in.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#37UK is welcome to join team USA. New state?
The ahem _United_ Kingdom is already a _Union_ of 4 states - England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
I'm not saying no to joining the European Union or the American Union, but if it's the USA, no it would not be just 1 new state. And Northern Ireland may have other ideas of who to join.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#38There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.
The EU would welcome the UK capitulating and "aligning" to the EU any time.
No, the UK won't have any voting power as a full member in the EU for quite a while, the EU will not allow that soon. 5-10 years seems optimistic IMHO.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#39There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.
I don't agree. I think IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instantly. (ok, maybe a covenant or two... Like UK having to accept the euro, for example). But, from my POV, UK is just too desirable and powerful. (I don't belong to UK, by the way)
> IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instant
UK as a full, voting member of the EU, on request? Not going to happen any time soon. Far too many downsides from the crazy brits. The UK would have to prove to the EU that they are going to be constructive, have worked all of the Brexit insanity out of their system and it wasn't coming back. This might take a while.
UK as an "EU aligned rule-taker" that participates in the single market, without voting rights, a bit like Norway? Sure, that's an easy win for both parties.
Re: RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
#40UK is welcome to join team USA. New state?
The ahem _United_ Kingdom is already a _Union_ of 4 states - England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. I'm not saying no to joining the European Union or the American Union, but if it's the USA, no it would not be just 1 new state. And Northern Ireland may have other ideas of who to join.
We can add Ireland to the USA fold as well. That would solve the Northern Ireland Situation.