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Re: An account was suspended

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Post by luckylion »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #45
Turing_Machine wrote: post #38

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> Sometimes they are on Twitter, then you need to be there. Wow, that's a depressing thought. I think I'd prefer to find a different line of business, if it were me.

It's a false choice. If your customers are somewhere, you could be there too, and that often has the least amount of friction or is the easiest choice, so it's understandable why so many people elect to do it. But another thing you could do is bring them to where you are.

If your business outreach succeeding requires you to first convince people that they should stop using some platform that is important to them, you might as well give up on your original business because you're probably going to spend all your time on that effort.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by bsnnkv »

efitz wrote: post #48
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #29

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There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have. Underlying moderation is some shared vision of decency - morality claims that should be enforced via justice. These claims certainly don't exist across nation borders, and they barely exist within a given nation's borders. The bot moderation conundrum is a wholly second moderation question layered on to…

I think the solution is opt-in curation. If someone (or 10k someones) watches and compiles quality items of interest, maybe i want one of those feeds INSTEAD of Twitter’s ML algorithm. Twitter can still monetize but now curations could monetize individually via including specific ad tweets. And i want to subscribe to multiple curations, not just one. Twitter could even have their own ML algorithm as a curation but I…

This sounds a lot like what I'm working on with Notado Feeds[1]. Users can curate feeds (with RSS subscriptions) on specific topics from their libraries that get automatically populated. I haven't published a dedicated article on this feature yet, but it's coming.

For an idea of what it looks like in practice, these are my feeds on software development[2] and capitalism[3]. Interested in one but not the other? No problem, ignore the capitalism feed and just sub to the software development feed; you don't have to be hit by a train of all of my thoughts on every little topic by subscribing to an all-encompassing feed.

I'm currently working on a piece around feed discoverability that will integrate RSS subscription stats in few interesting late 90s/early 00s-web ways.

[1]: https://notado.app

[2]: https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development

[3]: https://notado.app/feeds/jado/capitalism

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by PopAlongKid »

hairofadog wrote: post #10
OJFord wrote: post #4

'permanently suspended' is weird in itself isn't it? Just avoiding the word 'banned' or similar.. but butchering other words into meaning the same thing?

Good catch. “Suspended” by definition is temporary.

Back in high school, I think everyone understood the difference between a student being suspended and being expelled.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by onionisafruit »

haunter wrote: post #14
astura wrote: post #11

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Who is the "Reddit Suicide Alert?"

You can report any post or comment on reddit, an one option is "self-harm or suicide" https://i.imgur.com/aGLtTeW.png I think it meant in a way that you are afraid of the person. If you are the one reported then you also get an automatic system message from reddit: someone thought you might have problems etc. Basically the suicide alert. Anyways people use it all the time in every single sub for any unrelated thing,…

I comment a lot on /r/cfb and /r/nfl and I wasn’t aware of this. I don’t really trash talk, but I’m surprised at least one of my thousands of comments hasn’t elicited a suicide alert.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by z9znz »

_madmax_ wrote: post #27
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #15

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Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

At this point in time I think I am comfortable saying the web is more detrimental to humans than Television ever was.

It's going to take a lot more time and a lot worse crap on the internet to have a greater negative impact than FoxNews has had over its last 10 years. So for that reason, TV is still far worse for humanity.

On the positive side, internet has given us access to a lot of valuable information (for those who seek it out), whereas TV only makes available what the media companies want you to have access to.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by smolder »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #29
mschuster91 wrote: post #8

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Even blue checkmarks don't help against trolls, far right and griefers running mass-report attacks. The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has, and that it does nothing against raid instigators. Reddit at least has subreddit mods take care of most of the bullshit and at least the large subreddit mods have direct connections to Reddit, and Reddit…

There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have. Underlying moderation is some shared vision of decency - morality claims that should be enforced via justice. These claims certainly don't exist across nation borders, and they barely exist within a given nation's borders. The bot moderation conundrum is a wholly second moderation question layered on to…

> There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale.

If you mean it doesn't exist, that's arguable. If you mean it can't exist, that's nonsense. Just imagine for a second that moderation made money somehow. Boom! A moderation force that can take on planets full of new people. Tech companies are just cheap when it comes to dealing with end users. There is no obstacle but money to them creating capable moderation or customer support. It's a choice (to put profit first.)

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

I'm a big fan of Ben Thompson, and I'm not necessarily on Twitter's side here, but this to me seems more like a case of Ben whining about "Spam is when someone else sends it".

From his own words, this "Stratechery Interviews" account was a new account that only sent out tweets of links from multiple locations around the world. In other words, the only thing really distinguishing it from spam on a technical level is that Ben liked the content it was tweeting about.

Sure, I'd be annoyed too, but Ben's rage tweets just show to me that even the most rational among us become emotional when we don't get something want.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by itsamoreh »

_madmax_ wrote: post #27
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

At this point in time I think I am comfortable saying the web is more detrimental to humans than Television ever was.

"Television is more detrimental to humans than telephone ever was."

"Telephone is more detrimental to humans than radio ever was."

"Radio is more detrimental to humans than telegraph ever was."

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by luckylion »

throwup wrote: post #52
imhoguy wrote: post #24

Well, automated banning is going beyond absurd. OT but just yesterday I finally decided to join Discord fad for some open-source communities, but my freshly created account got instantly disabled after successful validation with email and phone, that without sending any message. Unfortunately I don't own a second phone number to register another one. I better stick with my veteran ways - IRC, mail-lists, forums. Matr…

I had a Discord account created in 2015 that I had always used with their Android app. Then one day I logged in with Firefox and boom, suddenly and permanently banned. I'm not sure what the lesson is here... maybe avoid uBlock and submit to the surveillance?

> avoid uBlock and submit to the surveillance

I think that's what PayPal is trying to teach me, where logins will randomly fail with an adblocker and 2fa enabled.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

selykg wrote: post #47
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #15

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Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

No Twitter account for me after several run ins with just shitty people being shit. I'm not going to say it was life changing, but it is stress that is now gone. Would highly recommend to anyone that has higher stress levels, it's possible SOME of it is coming from your social media use. In my case, it was work that was the big cause, but, removing myself from social media resulted in a noticeable improvement.

You have to be aware of the origins of the stress and they are likely many. Even here on HN I find myself making the decision to not continue to engage with someone who's responded to one of my posts because I can already predict it's going to race down a rabbit hole of pointless arguments. It's simply not worth talking to some people.

I think part of the problem is that people don't realize that a lot of what they are doing is contributing to their own stress.

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