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NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Is there a way to search it for repeating patterns to catch any shortcuts the Simulation may have taken?

If you look the picture in the Webb's original rotation, there are 4 shining stars (?) on the middle-right of the picture. Now, if you follow down with your eyes, there's a structure that's eerily similar to the Pillars :)

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I understand Nebulae like the Eagle Nebula are fairly dynamic regions of space, so I find it interesting that we have photographs of the same region over a 27 years time span and at a glance, the structure of the Pillars of Creation appears virtually identical. I understand that 27 years is minuscule on the cosmic timescale, but what order of timescale would be necessary for the evolution of Pillars of Creation to be…

The pillars of creation are somewhere between four to five light years across. Unless the entire dust cloud moves at relativistic speeds it's going to take a lot of time for any change to be visible when zoomed out that far

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When I go outside I can barely see any stars, unlike my ancestors who saw a sky utterly filled with stars. Then I go on my computer and I can see more stars, with more details, than my ancestors even imagined. I can't decide if it's a worthwhile tradeoff.

Same thing as looking at a picture of a mountain range vs actually being there. A 2d array of backlit pixels doesn't really convey much of the magic. Watching a box match (or any sport) on TV vs being there, attending a concert vs spotify. Real life will always provide more

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Is it possible to visualize how a human eye would see Pillars of Creation in real time? This always confused me with Hubble’s colorized photos.

Scientists are unconcerned with that question. Your eye is nothing like the Hubble. Your eye isn't that useful for doing science. Hubble images are.

Well, eyes are actually very useful for doing science, I think.

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Their YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__KBHIo_xs) sounds like it's being narrated by a TikTok influencer.

They're known for their strangely excited sounding monotones, although the only example I can think of is the not so scientific "burger king foot lettuce" video.

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Handy Dandy Slider action between the two! https://esawebb.org/images/comparisons/weic2216/

Technically the comparison is not totally fair, that Hubble image was taken in visible light, while Webb's in infrared. Dust blocks visible light stronger, so background stars are effectively hidden from Hubble, but not from Webb. Here [1] you can see same field in visible and close infrared taken by Hubble. Webb of course shines in all the fine details and faint stars number. [1] https://cdn.spacetelescope.org/archi…

*it's not so much that isn't fair, just that they show different things but the problems is that it is not explained

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Webb observes "much further" into the IR [1]. 1. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/hu... (this image is from [2]) 2. https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hubble-vs-webb-on-the-s...

Does this mean what Hubble sees is actually closer to what I'd see with my own eyes than Hubble, or Hubble's version is closer?

Depends on what you mean by "with my own eyes".

There is no way you could see this with your own eyes, there's no vantage point you can "stand on" to see the pillars - you'd either be too far away to see anything, or if you moved close enough so your eyes could actually focus on something, you'd be "inside" it, meaning you would see one star at most.

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I compressed the full PNG via Guetzli (Google's high-quality jpg compressor) which took a couple of hours (now 15MB at 84% quality), so here it is: https://github.com/dvasdekis/images/raw/master/pillars.jpg and https://mega.nz/file/BTdWSb6b#NHK9lAtGMIr1UxabLiC174ZvJWo7KS... and https://www.mediafire.com/file/n0qjxogsp203z0w/pillars.jpg/f... The original crashed Windows when set as desktop background, but this one wor…

> so here it is you posted 3, are there any differences or just different URLs? and thanks!

Just different urls in case they get bandwidth limited
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