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The Rise of ‘Luxury Surveillance’

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Almost anything would be worth it to avoid prolonged contact with other prisoners and prison guards.

Then prison as a punishment will stop becoming a punishment and will reduce incentive to abide by laws

Prisons are sexual assault factories, yet that didn't stop the 3 million people who are currently incarcerated here.

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If there were an Amazon Prison option, I wonder how many people would choose it. Need to serve time? Skip the cell and stay home with a robust suite of real-time behavior analytics to ensure compliance. Conversations are processed locally and scanned for restricted subjects with advanced AI. A special Amazon Prison store offers a full suite of approved products with automatic payments, accessible with Alexa, and cust…

People don't appreciate that CBDCs will become the Amazon Prison you describe.

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There's something weird about wearables and also recent advances in home surveillance. I see people posting here that the customers don't want surveillance, they want metrics. But, like... why? What's the appeal? People will spend hundreds of dollars on something like an Apple watch, and all it really does is make texts and calls slightly more convenient (I don't buy it) and give you little metrics to look at. People…

One thing the watches really do well is they make it much easier to notice a call or message in a loud environment. Before getting a smartwatch, you'd easily miss a call if your phone is in your pocket/bag and you are in a crowded/noisy space. You basically always notice if its a vibrating watch unless you have your hands on something vibrating. But yes, largely the Apple Watch doesn't enable new activities. It just…

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Re: The Rise of ‘Luxury Surveillance’

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Then prison as a punishment will stop becoming a punishment and will reduce incentive to abide by laws

If how terrible prison is what backs your incentive to abide by laws, I'm worried. Criminals generally don't expect to be caught, the quality of prison doesn't matter much if you're not planning on going there.

https://youtu.be/h0jMpNZukjg?t=31

It's just a business calculation.

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If there were an Amazon Prison option, I wonder how many people would choose it. Need to serve time? Skip the cell and stay home with a robust suite of real-time behavior analytics to ensure compliance. Conversations are processed locally and scanned for restricted subjects with advanced AI. A special Amazon Prison store offers a full suite of approved products with automatic payments, accessible with Alexa, and cust…

You jest, but most likely someone at Amazon will read this and think to themselves: "you know...the for-profit private prison industry is ripe for disruption. This could be a good lead." Also, what you describe has been done before in history. In the 19th century in the US there were "Pullman Towns" - everything from A to Z owned by the Pullman company. "Get baptized in a Pullman church, go to a Pullman school, work…

For the curious: besides the Pullman towns, there were many other “company towns” [1] in the United States, owned by various companies [2].

Some of the most exploitive ones were owned by mining firms, as immortalized in the famous protest song “Sixteen Tons”, with its refrain “I owe my soul to the company store”. [3]

(This song may be familiar to South Park viewers.) [4]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_company_towns_in_the_U...

[3] http://www.protestsonglyrics.net/Labor_Union_Songs/Sixteen-T...

[4] https://youtube.com/watch?v=yO9VRtrTJwc

Re: The Rise of ‘Luxury Surveillance’

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As nerds we have an advantage here. We can use prosumer/professional oriented tech that respects your privacy more. Don’t get a Ring. Use your own cameras and a Synology and, if you must, their e2e-encrypted backup solution. If there’s no privacy-respecting equivalents, then… do without.

Use your own cameras. Like the ones made by Dahua! I mean, that's bad so just buy the ones with the Amcrest sticker slapped on them that still runs the same firmware and has the same hardware. :D Source: I have a few Amcrest cameras and am sad at how much it'll cost to switch over to Unifi Protect.

I’d love to hear the community’s take on UniFi Protect as a (more privacy respecting?) option.

Re: The Rise of ‘Luxury Surveillance’

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There's something weird about wearables and also recent advances in home surveillance. I see people posting here that the customers don't want surveillance, they want metrics. But, like... why? What's the appeal? People will spend hundreds of dollars on something like an Apple watch, and all it really does is make texts and calls slightly more convenient (I don't buy it) and give you little metrics to look at. People…

> whenever I see someone wearing one it just pisses me off

That seems kind of extreme. You don't like it, just don't buy it?

Personally, I like my Apple Watch, it's pretty handy. I couldn't care less about any sort of 'status' it projects (and it doesn't -- everyone around me has one, it's not noteworthy to have one strapped to your wrist).

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I haven't read the article but I think the outrage is misplaced. There are people forced to wear a Islamic head dress. The solution is not to ban Islamic head dress. There are people forced into sex slavery and prostitution. The solution isn't to ban prostitution. There are people who are forced into an abortion. The solution is not to ban abortion. The solution to abuse cannot be curtailing of rights.

Pooper, you should run for office

I too must hear more about the Pooper platform

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there is always risk/reward calculation. if you replace prison time with home arrest, then you remove downside to being caught. Especially for second/Nth time offenders.

If you're good with risk/reward you generally don't do crime (at least, not the kind that doesn't already leave you in the kind of minimum security-style prison being proposed here). In 2015 the average robbery netted less than $2,000 while the average sentence length was almost 10 years. Risking 10 years of your life for $2,000 isn't something that people who understand risk/reward will do, how bad things are while…

if the cost to imprison someone is far larger than damages done maybe it would be cheaper for the tax payer to just make the victim whole and give the criminal a lesser sentence.

Re: The Rise of ‘Luxury Surveillance’

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It's all tradeoffs. We have to externalize agency to aggregate human effort and do civilization.

The Pareto optimal point doesn't have us optimizing too far in any one dimension.

One great example of "good enough" is scanned paper ballots at elections. We want ease and accuracy, but the "luxury surveillance" risk of purely electronic voting is a slippery slope sliding into tyranny.

Wisdom will draw a line and let technology support improving standards of living, while confining that tech in well-defined ways.

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