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The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by kuramitropolis »

phnofive wrote: post #54
kuramitropolis wrote: post #45

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The censors' safe play is also well known: Introduce mandatory "what did the author mean" classes in schools, where children write down the one true interpretation of a corpus of sanctioned texts from preferably >100 years ago, under dictation, for many years; until they are completely incapable of approaching a work of art to understand it for themselves. It's not 100% effective, but the remaining few percent end up…

I hope this is a metaphor as well...

You went to a school that actually taught you how to think? Consider yourself privileged, my friend.

The Prussian system of education, which is at the root of contemporary compulsory schooling, was designed to produce machine operators and obedient soldiers, not necessarily to educate anyone - the idealism of individual teachers notwithstanding.

This is standard operating procedure, and definitely my own personal experience during middle and high school. Do this over a couple of generations and you get a population largely incapable of basic reflection.

And since this form of "education" is, in fact, nonsensical, parents end up paying for tutoring so their kids can pass an equally nonsensical mandatory exam, so that they (supposedly) get better prospects. So teachers get a lucrative side gig giving private lessons to keep the system going, and as they get complacent, they become complicit.

Maybe in your community things are laid out different. Either way, larger populations still end up having a "critical mass" of eloquent people maintaining the tradition of the written word, and the benefits it provides to society; smaller ones just get dispossessed at scale. This contributes to consolidation of power, the establishment of global oligopolies that hold back progress for the sake of their bottom line, etc.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by kuramitropolis »

Bakary wrote: post #168
kuramitropolis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The censors' safe play is also well known: Introduce mandatory "what did the author mean" classes in schools, where children write down the one true interpretation of a corpus of sanctioned texts from preferably >100 years ago, under dictation, for many years; until they are completely incapable of approaching a work of art to understand it for themselves. It's not 100% effective, but the remaining few percent end up…

If the kids in question don't approach literature on their own with the intent to understand it they're not going to far well in that metric anyway, no matter how counter-productive the education system is.

They're just kids. Thrown into a hellscape of their parents' creation :) Do you think they're supposed to just somehow intuit out of thin air that there's such a thing as "literature" and that one is supposed to "understand it"? I thought they were supposed to teach them things like that in school - otherwise what's the excuse for having those classes in the first place?

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Post by nailer »

goodpoint wrote: post #217
nailer wrote: post #115

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I don’t follow your logic- my statement was that that the nazis openly considered themselves socialists and class warfare was a huge part of nazi ideology. Your state that’s probably false - but then don’t prove either of those statements false. It’s entirely possible to fight between factions of the same side of politics.

Both the fascists and the nazi never considered themselves socialists. This is proven by numerous quotes from mussolini, hitler, various party members and verified by historians. The fact that both fascists and nazi imprisoned, tortured and killed socialists and communists (again, widely proven by historians) is perfectly aligned with that. Additionally, both fascists and nazi never implemented policies or took actio…

> Both the fascists and the nazi never considered themselves socialists.

That’s provably incorrect, see the link posted by the other socialist in this same thread.

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Post by colechristensen »

screye wrote: post #214
layer8 wrote: post #164

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Even if the film was made by a non-white non-American muslim, the implication of their reasoning would be that any white/American/non-muslim wouldn’t be able to properly understand the film. This comes close to denying that there can ever be an understanding between cultures at all.

It is peculiar how the segregationist isolationists and cancel-culture-peddlers use exactly the same lines of reasoning, while 1 gets tagged as racist and the other a radically anti-racist. It is about time for people to look at the core ethics that guide either thought and at least draw the association between the two. What to name this collective community is anyone's guess, but at least the cognitive dissonance wi…

It’s not just peculiar, the fight against the injustices of racism has become racist. They aren’t separate now, they are actually the same.

Having spent so long fighting against something, the movement has accepted the premise of the things they were fighting against and started fighting for it. Reinforcing separation between people, putting labels on a person, and declaring what a person is allowed to do based on those labels.

They are explicitly for dividing people into races and giving each of those groups permissions.

Racism = being in favor of dividing people into races.

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Post by colechristensen »

throwawayallday wrote: post #223
pas wrote: post #212

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why is that's a right-wing comment? :o

Anything that stands in defiance of leftism, especially leftist identity politics is "right-wing" now. That's how far the Overton Window has shifted.

That’s a claim but it’s not true. If you actually talk to people you’ll find out that the crazy cancel racist left is actually a very small loud group and few real people actually align with them. The rest of the left just doesn’t speak up because they don’t care to get into fights.

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Post by lumost »

throwoutway wrote: post #227
lumost wrote: post #159

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I will refrain from commenting on the specifics of this situation. But I’m curious if the logical fallacy of appealing to group authority is a new rhetorical tactic or simply an old one that we’ve leaned into. Nixon’s appeal to the silent majority a generation ago sounds quite similar.

Perhaps the difference is that the old tactic did not tell one group to “shut up” as the newer tactics did. Did Nixon do that? I’m too young to remember

Yes, Nixon did - frequently. However in fairness this did lead to his resignation.

As I recall there have been other famous examples of us vs. them rhetoric dating back to the Roman empire. However it's tough to be rigorous about the frequency of this ocurence.

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Post by adaml_623 »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #187
adaml_623 wrote: post #134

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Were the protests outside concerts also bi-partisan in nature or were they organised by Christian groups? I think the protests are different to the PMRC actions. Edit: actually ignore me. I don't think we have matching definitions of left and right wing. And I definitely don't have knowledge of whether the US Democrats are left wing by any definition I'd use

> Were the protests outside concerts also bi-partisan in nature or were they organised by Christian groups? In the 80s and 90s, about 90% of US adults identified as Christian. So your question here doesn’t really make sense. > I don't think we have matching definitions of left and right wing I’m getting the impression that your idea of “right wing” is just all the things that you don’t like, such as Christianity. Irr…

I think you're jumping to conclusions about my opinions with very few data points. I'm not from your country so I'm also not sure what history we'd be looking out without a lot of 'true scotsman' arguments about definitions.

As for Christianity, I hope we can agree that the teachings of Jesus are quite to the left on the political spectrum.

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Post by Bakary »

kuramitropolis wrote: post #232
Bakary wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the kids in question don't approach literature on their own with the intent to understand it they're not going to far well in that metric anyway, no matter how counter-productive the education system is.

They're just kids. Thrown into a hellscape of their parents' creation :) Do you think they're supposed to just somehow intuit out of thin air that there's such a thing as "literature" and that one is supposed to "understand it"? I thought they were supposed to teach them things like that in school - otherwise what's the excuse for having those classes in the first place?

The classes are dysfunctional and meant as a compromise between various groups in a society. But even in some Montessori paradise, a kid will need to have a natural impulse to get anywhere. It's not so much that a kid is supposed to intuit things out of thin air, but rather that the type of person who does well with literature or even approaches it at all will almost always also be the type of person that has already has this natural intuition and motivation. What great teachers can do is lend a spark to the wick, and luckily these specialists seem to magically appear when they are needed to the most, but even the most skilled farmer can't grow wheat out of rocks.
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