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Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

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Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

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post #23

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There's some precedent for other unattended things like rental scooters. If it becomes a nuisance for the police, they may choose to ignore self-driving car vandalism.

Scooters are like $150 a piece. These six-figure cars. Doubt that gets ignored.

The scooter companies pay $150 a piece? Dang, the retail markup is crazy.

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

#43

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> That's a funny way to say the next biggest place with 300 days of sun per year. Why does that matter?

Self driving cars don’t work in rain/snow

...yet. I think Waymo's approach of launching the service in the cities when it is easy first, and over time expanding to more troublesome climates is much more sensible than Tesla's "humans can do it, so AI should be able to, with just cameras".

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

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post #13

This will be interesting to see if they can crack LA - drunk and overly aggressive drivers, crack addicts running around the streets, and vandalism. You can already see this "tragedy of the commons" type of behavior with the unusable public transport system (it's a nightmare to use the trains between Koreatown and DTLA, especially for women) and in the private sector with Lime and Bird scooters. Very exciting if it w…

I’m really disappointed at the kind of generalizations and misconceptions you’re using here to describe a vast and diverse metropolitan area.

You’re essentially blaming “elements of sin:” it’s all about the crackheads and the crazies.

You’re magnifying a very small portion of the population while diminishing and disrespecting the mostly-normal law-abiding citizens who actually live in LA.

You want to know why LA has drunk drivers and scary bad transit? It’s not because of all of the vague sin of the “city problems” you describe.

It’s at least in part because of LA’s unsustainable car-focused development. (In that respect, Waymo might act as a welcome band-aid, but it’s still a band-aid).

Why are there drunk drivers? Because you can’t walk or take a train/bus to the bar.

Why is transit scary? Because only the truly desperate actually use the barely-useful mass transit in LA, because LA was built for cars.

Why are the crackheads out vandalizing stuff? Maybe because car-focused development exacerbates wealth inequality [1] by encouraging the development of socioeconomically segregated communities, and by gating economic opportunity behind the most expensive form of transportation, requiring everyone to buy and maintain personal vehicles at high rates (at least one vehicle per person). Don’t have your own car? Hope someone can drive you to work! Want to interview for that job? It’s far away, hope you can pay for gas! Disabled? Elderly? Guess you’re not going anywhere!

[1] https://inequality.org/research/public-transit-inequality/

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

#45
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self driving cars don’t work in rain/snow

...yet. I think Waymo's approach of launching the service in the cities when it is easy first, and over time expanding to more troublesome climates is much more sensible than Tesla's "humans can do it, so AI should be able to, with just cameras".

> Waymo's approach of launching the service in the cities when it is easy first, and over time expanding to more troublesome climates is much more sensible

Is there a fundamental answer to this question? Start with low-hanging fruit and then build up? Or begin with the most challenging bits before gliding forward? The risk with the former is you end up in a dead end. The risk with the latter, finding the hard problems intractable without the experience of solving the easier ones.

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

#46
post #42

Great, more autonomous murder bots. Maybe when there are enough of them, society will say "enough is enough".

in a similar line of reasoning, cars by humans are a much larger problem that's already here

I completely agree. And autonomous vehicles solve none of the issues of regular cars, except maybe injury rate. The rest is the same -- emissions, inefficiency, expense, noise, traffic congestion, unwalkable cities, and so on.

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

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> That's a funny way to say the next biggest place with 300 days of sun per year. Why does that matter?

Self driving cars don’t work in rain/snow

They do work in rain, mostly (maybe not really heavy rain or flooded streets etc.)

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

#48
post #38
post #6

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Then they get recorded and dealt with by the law just like burning any random parked car.

To be frank, especially for anyone who hasn't lived in LA, the LAPD doesn't do anything for the public unless it's something involving guns and/or gangs. It's not unlike how developers mark most bugs as "won't fix". I've seen active break-ins and robberies in LA, and called the police only to have nothing being done in those situations. While anecdotal, I'm afraid this is a really common experience that has only gott…

Nah, breaking a Waymo is property crime against a large corp, and that makes them pay attention; they fall asleep when it's just the general population and small business, but there's backing and funding at stake when capital is attacked. Police departments over the last decade or so of protest have demonstrated willingness to defend Apple stores, Louis Vuitton, etc. They mostly don't succeed at stopping burglaries-in-progress but they do tend to go through camera footage and pick up people after the fact in those incidents.

Re: Next Stop for Waymo One: Los Angeles

#50

Very exciting news, as more people use autonomous vehicles, the less parking needs there will be and hopefully more parking lots can be reclaimed with plant life, that benefits the whole earth with better air and calming energy.

Imagine a jogging track and a cycling track that runs all through the city. I'd never get inside a car!

You should take a look at the Atlanta Beltline project. It’s led to so many pockets of restaurants and small businesses that pop up along side it.
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