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Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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I'm not sure that it's possible to lose skills in this way unless they completely fall out of practice. Seems like a situation where you learn that you won't grow in a particular way can only lead to a better understanding of the narrow path to fulfilling growth and development.

Just my viewpoint though.

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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>From this perspective, it's a lot easier to just pack it in, write off the boss and company, and find a new job. It's less satisfying, to be sure, but less terrifying. This exactly. I've tried having 'difficult' conversations with my boss only to wind up on their bad list. Thankfully I'm at a company with a strong culture now and I'm much more financially independent than when I was younger.

For way too many (bad) managers, deliberately initiating a 1:1 with them can feel like calling the police in the USA. You have to really consider your options, because you have no idea what the police are going to do. They might be cool, or they might shoot your dog. They might arrest the wrong person, or they might even ignore the call. They might get pissed at you and start harassing you every time they're in your…

If you feel like that for your boss, that's reason enough to leave already.

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

#283
It's hard to realize this until you try something and suck at it.

It's especially hard if you've basically been good at the things you have done in life, not realizing you either got lucky choosing things you were good at, just tended to be drawn to things you were good at without realizing why, or got jobs at things because others realized the good match...

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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> Your job should be your identity if your job is your identity then be sure and put away some savings for therapy. The moment something happens to your job outside your control like getting laid off, company going under, workplace harassment, even nasty office politics then a mental crisis will soon follow.

Typical worst case scenario thinking that prevents you from even trying.

Compromise: Your vocation can be your identity (and you may not have found exactly what it is yet). Though if your particular workplace situation gets bad, you may want to detach from that one job, or find ways in which the imperfect job/situation can further the larger mission.

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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For way too many (bad) managers, deliberately initiating a 1:1 with them can feel like calling the police in the USA. You have to really consider your options, because you have no idea what the police are going to do. They might be cool, or they might shoot your dog. They might arrest the wrong person, or they might even ignore the call. They might get pissed at you and start harassing you every time they're in your…

If you feel like that for your boss, that's reason enough to leave already.

Oh man, I had one whose mood was based on the stock market. When the market was up, have a 1:1 with him, as he'd praise you, give you a little time off, maybe even a little bonus just because. When the market was down, he was on the warpath and nothing you did was good enough. I got fired on the day of a particularly steep NASDAQ drop.

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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>My job is not my Identity we have an economic arrangement I do what I am asked to do …within the predefined framework of “roles” >If my boss wants to pay me a SWE salary and then insists I clean out the break room fridge on Friday that is his perogrative not mine. Your wording here is kind of vague. Are you saying that you would acquiesce to anything a boss requests? What if it’s not the breakroom but a public bathr…

You omitted an important qualifier. > assuming over course it doesn't cross legal or moral boundaries. If someone asks me to clean the bathroom, sure I do it at home, much more rewarding to make $50 an hour, and probably less gross than the bathroom where a toddler is potty training. As for the rest of those items although they may not explicitly fall under legal violations by US federal law, given the relationship b…

> probably less gross than the bathroom where a toddler is potty training.

Nope. The dividing line between gross and just normal IME is public vs private. I've cleaned some bathrooms in my "career" (if you want to include high school part time jobs), and the worst ones were the womens bathrooms in public use; grocery stores etc.

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

#289

One of my problems is that I like to write code. Specifically novel code. But the places I work at really want me to just do regular CRUD work and glue work (use other people's code and avoid novel code). How do I find companies that write their own cool new code? Maybe coding teams get broken down into such small teams that there is only room for CRUD and glue and novel code gets too risky when trying to deliver use…

Find a place where you are allowed to own the code, as in code in any language. Ask the coders what language they use. If they all use the same language it's a bad sign. If the work ad mentions a specific code stack it's a bad sign.

Re: Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job

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If a company won't promote me, and I'm clearly exceeding the standard for the next role, I take that experience, and describe myself as that level on my resume for the next job. Seriously. If you're doing the job, you're doing the job even if they won't officially give you the title.

Do you put down "staff engineer" if you're not officially a staff engineer?

If you're meeting or exceeding the company's criteria for that position, absolutely.
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