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You've described Brooklyn and NYC at large... if you're anti-car then consider the city. Boston is a good second choice. I've lived in both. NYC comes with the normal downsides of the biggest city in the US: expenses, limited space, crowding, and noise. But this is true of all large cities in the world: Paris, London, Tokyo, etc. But it comes with the immense upsides of a functioning metropolitan transit system, whic…
What if I can't fit in a shoebox and can't afford anything larger? What if I have a dog and want them to have a yard that doesn't require me to leash them every time they want to go outside? I don't mind sharing a yard with neighbors, heck I would even share a kitchen space if I knew it would be maintained well and available when I need it. But none of that is even an option. I don't buy the idea that only hyper-dens…
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#565Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd also add that comments like this: > Now, I am fully aware that there's a low of people for whom the horror of commute doesn't make up for the gains of socializing and others that just abhor having to talk to real-life people. Then there are people who work mainly to get paid and do not care to invest themselves beyond what is necessary. Are remarkably condescending. Folks opting for a better work-life balance, wh…
> remarkably condescending I suspect there are two big difference between OP and many of the readers here. At least for sure, Berlin vs most major US cities is night and day different in terms of commute and enjoyment opportunity. Berlin is a fun city full of things to do, places to eat, and clubs. Plus it's all accessible without a car. Meanwhile, in the US, it's usually a very different story. Doing something after…
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#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've described Brooklyn and NYC at large... if you're anti-car then consider the city. Boston is a good second choice. I've lived in both. NYC comes with the normal downsides of the biggest city in the US: expenses, limited space, crowding, and noise. But this is true of all large cities in the world: Paris, London, Tokyo, etc. But it comes with the immense upsides of a functioning metropolitan transit system, whic…
What if I can't fit in a shoebox and can't afford anything larger? What if I have a dog and want them to have a yard that doesn't require me to leash them every time they want to go outside? I don't mind sharing a yard with neighbors, heck I would even share a kitchen space if I knew it would be maintained well and available when I need it. But none of that is even an option. I don't buy the idea that only hyper-dens…
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#567> the noise-cancelling headphone stop-sign
If the larger issues here were fixed maybe more people wouldn't be so dead set on never setting foot into an office.
Rip up most of the zoning laws and keep things dense with a lot of light rail to get people into the office and more people might find the commutes tolerable. Kill off the suburbia 45 minute single occupancy vehicle hell that most cities are build around these days in America.
Stop with the open office plans that for over a decade studies have been showing to do nothing more than increase distraction.
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#568Yes. People miss that.
> Guessing people's emotions in a heated Retro from their body language.
Noone misses this shit.
> Grabbing dinner with a few colleagues after a long workshop meeting in the evening and then realizing that, aside from all the differences we might have about static typing in programming languages, we all like the same exotic progressive metal bands.
Miss it.
> On the contrary, many are screaming in outrage if asked to come to the office even for a single day a week and threaten to quit.
Noone gives a shit if you go into the office or not - just like you shouldn't give a shit if they choose to stay home.
> Then there are people who work mainly to get paid and do not care to invest themselves beyond what is necessary. But are those really the majority?
This has nothing to do with WFH. You mentioning it here almost makes it seem like you think WFHers don't give a shit. I hope that you are not of that opinion, because that's very short sighted and won't make people happy.
> Have I been under some weird form of Stockholm Syndrom where I actually enjoyed something that was pure torture to most? Have a lot of people realized they don't actually like being among other people, apart from their closest friends and family?
No. Most people like positive, in-person social interactions. But people on either side should still fight for choice. It reminds me of access to abortion rights. The team that is fighting for choice here is not saying that either everyone gets an abortion or noone does. Its that each person can choose how they want to work. People need to learn to respect others who make a different choice.
> And finally, I feel no one else is realizing that they are happily hacking away at the amazingly well-paid branch they're sitting on.
Outsourcing has been a thing for decades. People need to be good at their jobs. Don't treat your location as a competitive moat.
> All in all, there is a gnawing feeling in me that Covid made a significant dent on the once fun (Berlin Startup) tech working culture for good. And worse, I suspect there is gonna be more consequences down the road for the tech job market at large that few people seem to see.
Covid is a pandemic. There is also a war going on. The current cycle of cheap debt is coming to a close. These are not fun times.
> I know that "the office" is a bad place for a lot of people. There may be product managers that ignore the noise-cancelling headphone stop-sign and make you lose your stack of thoughts just to ask if the dev app URL is still the same it was yesterday. There can be bad managers and unpleasant situations all around. But shouldn't we rather work on fixing those things instead of making them bearable by just turning off a camera in a Zoom meeting?
The fix is simple: allow people to choose to work from wherever they want.
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#569Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd also add that comments like this: > Now, I am fully aware that there's a low of people for whom the horror of commute doesn't make up for the gains of socializing and others that just abhor having to talk to real-life people. Then there are people who work mainly to get paid and do not care to invest themselves beyond what is necessary. Are remarkably condescending. Folks opting for a better work-life balance, wh…
> remarkably condescending I suspect there are two big difference between OP and many of the readers here. At least for sure, Berlin vs most major US cities is night and day different in terms of commute and enjoyment opportunity. Berlin is a fun city full of things to do, places to eat, and clubs. Plus it's all accessible without a car. Meanwhile, in the US, it's usually a very different story. Doing something after…
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#570With all due respect, this is mostly my problem with the "work-from-office" (WFO for ease) crowd. Generally, the stance of the WFH crowd is that each individual should get a choice of what makes that individual happy. Very few, if any, of the WFH crowd want mandatated WFH, it would make no sense. But then the WFO crowd often says no, I don't care what makes you happy, because you being in makes me happy. That doesn't…
I'd also add that comments like this: > Now, I am fully aware that there's a low of people for whom the horror of commute doesn't make up for the gains of socializing and others that just abhor having to talk to real-life people. Then there are people who work mainly to get paid and do not care to invest themselves beyond what is necessary. Are remarkably condescending. Folks opting for a better work-life balance, wh…
Can someone shed some light on this? I'm in the office for at least 40 hours a week. Then each day I get home, cook dinner, clean, bathe, workout sometimes. I don't even have kids or a long commute.
If I'm not socializing at work, when am I doing it? Two days a week? That is bleeeeaak.