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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by awestroke »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #267
ggregoire wrote: post #161

Slightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.

The worst part about flying is the part before and after the plane ride, when you get stressed about what time to show up, going through security, sitting around, waiting to board, landing and waiting for the doors to open, taking a bus to the terminal, waiting for a carousel for 5 ~ 60 minutes, etc. If someone could solve that for me affordably, I can handle the sitting on an airplane in economy class for 15 hours b…

The worst part about flying is sitting in an uncomfortable, cramped space for hours

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by wolfram74 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #355
kilroy123 wrote: post #350

Slightly off-topic. I hate that internet is becoming more common on flights. One of my favorite things about flying is that it's a good chunk of time where you disconnect and don't worry about emails or messages. Just sit back and watch a movie or listen to music. Or catch up on sleep.

To be fair you can always choose to disconnect for a period of time. I understand if your job expects you to be online when possible but if you have difficulty disconnecting without an external pressure to be online you could consider talking to a therapist to help you manage your reliance, especially if it's bothering you significantly.

could be about half of Americans could use therapy by that metric, as that's how many had unusued and thus forfeited time off in 2019[0]. Work culture is ill.

[0] https://www.ustravel.org/press/study-record-768-million-us-v...

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by bloqs »

titzer wrote: post #369

They really missed an opportunity to cash in and call it Skynet.

Hate to be that guy, but this reference has "gone corpo" a long time ago and somwhat tired now. A number of companies/products have used it for "cool points" with now middle-aged men over the years.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#394

Post by jaywalk »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #390
kilroy123 wrote: post #350

Slightly off-topic. I hate that internet is becoming more common on flights. One of my favorite things about flying is that it's a good chunk of time where you disconnect and don't worry about emails or messages. Just sit back and watch a movie or listen to music. Or catch up on sleep.

That is still your choice. On transatlantic flights a WIFI connection would be a godsend.

The Gogo 2Ku service that Delta offers on TATL flights works very well.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#395

Post by lxgr »

FireBeyond wrote: post #116
zuhayeer wrote: post #100

Once upon a time, all plane transmissions were pretty much air to ground. As inconsequential as it may seem, the positioning of antennas above the plane are a bit metaphoric for flipping things up side down. Looking out into space instead of back to earth. Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Pretty much dogfooding…

> In-flight wifi (and otherwise all other transmissions) have pretty much always been air to ground This has not been the case for several years. Most in flight Wifi is now being provided by Viasat which, as the name suggests, is air to space. Even Gogo started rolling out satellite service in 2015. Very few services are now air-to-ground. Random pictures: https://i.stack.imgur.com/I7Yfd.jpg https://cdn.arstechnica.n…

There‘s a new hybrid system in Europe called EAN, based on a specialized LTE network and an S-band satellite to fill in gaps in coverage (mostly over the oceans).

I recently got to use it, and as expected latency is significantly better than on a pure GEO system.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by m4jor »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #267
ggregoire wrote: post #161

Slightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.

The worst part about flying is the part before and after the plane ride, when you get stressed about what time to show up, going through security, sitting around, waiting to board, landing and waiting for the doors to open, taking a bus to the terminal, waiting for a carousel for 5 ~ 60 minutes, etc. If someone could solve that for me affordably, I can handle the sitting on an airplane in economy class for 15 hours b…

To me, the worst part about flying is landing. As soon as you land a ton of inpatient people stand up and just rush to stand and wait in the middle isle. Every single flight this happens on.

Planes need to have exits on the rear, middle, and front of the plane to make deplaning a lot easier and quicker.

If this issue is ever solved it will be a miracle.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by chrisbrndl »

I have always enjoyed the time where there was no internet on an aircraft. It has been the only time when I could really be offline without having a slight guilty conscience.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by meowfly »

yosito wrote: post #353
kilroy123 wrote: post #350

Slightly off-topic. I hate that internet is becoming more common on flights. One of my favorite things about flying is that it's a good chunk of time where you disconnect and don't worry about emails or messages. Just sit back and watch a movie or listen to music. Or catch up on sleep.

To be fair, I fly about 30 times per year, and in the last ten years, I've found that the in-flight wifi actually worked approximately once.

I fly a lot too and that (assuming this is not a joke) seems abnormally low. I agree it is often not worth it though.

Reasons not to use in-flight wifi:

* It might be broken, but the credit card processing for some reason works fine.

* If you are on a short haul flight, it's going to be disconnected for takeoff/landing so you will get a solid 30m

* If you are on an international flight, it often stops work once you are over the ocean.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by jaywalk »

mlindner wrote: post #345
ceejayoz wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not lessening security.

It's certainly lessening privacy at the very least. Government sanctioned spying in exchange for saving a few minutes.

It's really not. You just provide some info that the government already has along with your fingerprints, they do a quick background check, and you're done. Whether you have PreCheck or not, the government knows what flights you've taken because the airlines have to submit their passenger lists. $85 for 5 years of less hassle at security is worth it for anyone who flies even once every 1-2 years.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by zokier »

Sure, airplanes are neat, but can we get good internet also on trains? Regular 4G/LTE doesn't work that great inside a metal box going 250km/h through countryside packed with hundreds of bored people wanting to use internet, nevermind all the EMI that the train might generate.
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