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Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#241
I noticed it too. Somehow, typing on earlier iOS-es produced much less mistakes. I also remember some version where it broke substantially, and I realized that just over a week or so (well, another explanation is I got old that week). Now it’s unbearable and I often leave my typos in chats as is, giving up after 2-3 attempts, or immediately because I foresee the struggle.

I also tried an android phone (and gboard on ios). Same shitty input, but better correction, especially for qwerty-typos. Sadly, the board itself feels like shit and I returned to apple one, plus I don’t trust google to handle my input pii/ads-wise.

Another apple keyboard quirk is that it is stubborn for the first letter of a word. E.g. if I type fouble, at no time it will suggest double. Fou -> For, foubl -> found, ends up with foible. These letters are not even close, what were they or their NN thinking? “Double” is a simplest, qwerty-levenstein-nearest word for this input. I don’t even know what foible means. Since that change I began to pay attention to first letters, otherwise my text turns into complete gibberish.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#242

My name is not an English word and it’s been years but the phones (3 iPhones) have never been able to predict it correctly ever. They always predict some English word — even longer and shorter. I must have typed it a trillion times on my phone by now. But no, still not. It’s the same name on my iCloud and hence on my phone. In contact book obviously. In all the email accounts I’ve added. I have tried correcting it an…

wait. I really, really don't care about my phone so I never looked that up. But my 2016 Iphone SE "learned" french. I text in French and English on a 40/60 split. Auto-correct will feed me results in both language. I assumed that every time I was correcting autocorrect to be able to type a french words, that was going to a small DB somewhere on the phone. It's not the case? Like.. then where are those french autocorr…

> why the hell is not name not memorized

Or why proper nouns from Contacts aren't included in the typing dictionary.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#244
My wife migrated from Android Device (Sony XZ2 Compact) to iPhone 13 Mini (because it was impossible to buy small but fast Android device when Sony was drown in torrential rain) a 6 months ago. Every out friend with iPhone said: "You'll accommodate to iPhone/Android difference fast, and everything will be Ok". Now, after half a year, almost everything is Ok, but not typing, editing text and interacting with text fields. She is screaming and shouting and sometimes crying when she need to type substantial comment on Facebook or big message in Telegram.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#245
I've used android phones since I've had modern smartphones and I've had a similar experience. The built in keyboard by google/aosp was always flaky and, especially on small screens, a pain to use. I'll describe my keyboard journey and what ups and owns I experienced on android here:

After using the built in keyboard for a while came swipe-typing and it was a lot better, but still limiting. To this day I believe that swipe-typing still hasn't reached its full potential, but the keyboards that focused on it seem to gravitate back towards hybrid regular typing and swiping which in my opinion removes many advantages it had before, making continuous use somewhat awkward.

The next step in my keyboard journey was fleksy. Fleksy was built much like the apple keyboard, in that the keyboard would look where exactly you pressed (not only the key you actually hit) and try to correlate the most likely word from that, powered by a a personal word frequency statistic lookup. It worked so well that they introduced an "invisible keyboard" mode which did exactly what it said on the box, and even without visible keyboard it would work almost perfectly, that's how good their system was. The other controls where designed around their algorithm, it was highly encouraged to, instead of correct something inside of a word, just delete everything and re-write, much like you'd do on a computer where it's much faster to just ^w^w^w^w then to go back and correct that one letter. In addition, they had gestures to cycle through the other likely predicted words their engine determined from your touches.

Unfortunately, fleksy had trouble raking in money and so the nice thing they had went the way every piece of venture capital software goes, which is down the drain. They began adding ever more things that began nagging away at their core competency until at some point they ventured to a joint ios/android app, a total rewrite. At that point they also introduced machine learning and made away with their previous engine, lowering the prediction quality noticably.

It was at that point that I decided to switch to another app and went f-droid only, because if fleksy would've been free software I could've just taken the source and maintain it myself whenever google decided to break an api it uses.

Currently I use florisboard, a fork of the aosp keyboard with some changes like the swipe behaviour of the space bar and selective deletion using backspace swiping. It's not fancy, typing hurts sometimes, but at least it doesn't try to be smart. Software that tries to be smart and fails is much worse than software that doesn't try.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#247

I've been using iPhone >10 years and cannot agree more. One example: from iOS 7 (that flat UI), I began to make much more frequent typos than ever before. Before that, I didn't make much typo before the update even without looking at the keyboard but not anymore after the update. What I heard is that Apple did extensive studies on usability of virtual keyboard when it's launching iPhone and as a result keyboard visua…

Yep, ios 7 was the first version where I had to become conscious of where my touch lands vs where I see my finger over the letters. It’s both amazing how they could nail it from the beginning and then allow some idiot to break it and start a spiral of “degenerative enhancements” every few years.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#248

Try disabling slide to type. I don't use it, so if it's on, it introduces inaccuracies.

This should be part of the iOS setup screen: "For how many years have you been using iOS devices?" and automatically disable it if the answer is superior to 10!

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#249

Try disabling slide to type. I don't use it, so if it's on, it introduces inaccuracies.

“Try disabling slide to type. I don’t use it, so if it’s on, it introduces inaccuracies.”

What. The. Hell. I disabled slide & predictions and typed the above sentence myself to test it, and the only very few mistyped keys were those that I have seen that I’m going to mistype.

Really, Apple?

WTFF?

All these years…

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#250

When the iPhone launched, Apple talked a lot about how the typing system worked. What I remember is that it sounded like pretty simple lookups. As you typed, the software compared your word to, essentially, a weighted dictionary to guess what you were going to type next. If you typed “b” it was flummoxed. But if you typed “behav” it knew the next letter was almost certainly going to be “e” or “i” (for behavior). It m…

> For example it just tried to sub-in “Quaker” for “quality” in the previous sentence. Why?? Do you have an app called Quaker something installed? I had to disable predictive text because after installing the “YouBike 1.0” app my phone refused to let me type the number 10. It always got replaced with 1.0 no matter how many times I tried to correct it.

As a fellow frustrated typer (AC’d to Tyler just now) in Taiwan, thank you for pointing this out. I was absolutely flummoxed.
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