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Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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The iPhone tries to guess where you want to place the cursor, because surely if you press somewhere, it’s not what you meant.

Being able to force-press anywhere on the keyboard to move the cursor with precision, was replaced with force-press on the spacebar only. Awful idea, because then you can only move half-a-line down and half-a-word left and right.

But we get the “swipe an entire word” keyboard that Android had too, and it is nice.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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When the iPhone launched, Apple talked a lot about how the typing system worked. What I remember is that it sounded like pretty simple lookups. As you typed, the software compared your word to, essentially, a weighted dictionary to guess what you were going to type next. If you typed “b” it was flummoxed. But if you typed “behav” it knew the next letter was almost certainly going to be “e” or “i” (for behavior). It m…

When the iPhone came out, I still had a Blackberry. The auto-type was much superior even back then.

It would easily recognize and complete phrases, so “k” would expand with a few clicks to “Kind regards, $firstname $lastname”.

On the iPhone today, it takes at least three chars to start noting that I want to insert my last name (pretty frequent in forms).

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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I’ll just leave this here: https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1565341723860971520

The gem in that tweet screed is this comment: > This gets back to the idea of preventing frustration. I determined that it would be more frustrating to have autocorrection “guess wrong” and erroneously fix broken typing. I work on automation a lot, and this is so hard to communicate to the endless stream of non-tech types that just want to “tweak” the algorithms to be a little bit smarter. Trust is an asymmetric prop…

I agree and see Thumper's Law as a combination of the Principle of Least Surprise and the concept of Loss Aversion in the sense that a pleasant surprise, like a correctly guessing what you were going to type, is greatly outweighed by the pain of an unpleasant surprise, like when the phone changes "it's" to "it's" even though I typed and wanted the former.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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When the iPhone launched, Apple talked a lot about how the typing system worked. What I remember is that it sounded like pretty simple lookups. As you typed, the software compared your word to, essentially, a weighted dictionary to guess what you were going to type next. If you typed “b” it was flummoxed. But if you typed “behav” it knew the next letter was almost certainly going to be “e” or “i” (for behavior). It m…

In my opinion, they should limit the text fields that auto-correct to a very limited set of applications. It becomes very problematic when attempting to type words in a foreign language.

Just last week I was attempting to type a foreign word into a translate box on a webpage in Safari and the browser or page kept removing characters I had entered, presumably it was proactively auto-correcting but it was completely unpredictable because it also seemed to retain all the letters I had typed even though it was also removing them from the text field.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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For me it always turns “well” into “we’ll”. I have no idea why. I rarely type in the second person, and grammatically they’re not substitutes. It’s maddening.

And evidently I'm not allowed to swear. "Fuck" gets unfailingly "corrected" to "duck" -- even if I spell it out.

Adding a text replacement from “fuck” to “fuck” (General - Keyboards - Text Replacement) allows you to swear again.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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>At some point I recall Apple announcing that they had switched autocorrect to a full machine learning implementation. >For example it just tried to sub-in “Quaker” for “quality” in the previous sentence. Why?? We need to organize and get a huge number of people to start sending text messages one day, using the autocorrect as it works, and not correcting the autocorrect . Just let it put whatever words it wants in th…

> Sorry for the inconvenience caused to your order. Our customer is aware of the situation in the area and will be able to help resolve it. Starting with only the word sorry. interesting that it went down a customer service path. It started suggesting corporate speak. > Nature is a religion that has been around since ancient times but it is now being used to promote a culture of diversity in society that has not yet…

> Sorry for the late reply I just wanted to let you know that I am so sorry I missed your call yesterday I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that I was just fine with that

My SE seems to have a bit of a psychotic breakdown over missing things. Siri, you doing ok there?

> Nature is in the way of the planet and the planet is in the planet of the planet and the planet is in the planet of the planet and the planet is in the planet of the planet and

> I like the idea of the planet and the planet is in the planet of the planet and the planet

“She’s stuck in an infinite loop and he’s an idiot”

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#228
I've felt this way for a really long time with touchscreen keyboards in general. I'm pretty sure I'd be overall faster when taking into account accuracy with my old 9-button dumb phone and no autocorrect. I used to be _really_ fast typing on those things, and could do so without looking at the screen to make sure my fingers were going where I thought they were. I had actually considered trying to find an Android phone featuring physical buttons (9 buttons, not a full keyboard) for this reason.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

#229
Mobile typing experience IS terrible for anything other than routine work IMO. The fact that your keyboard takes up half of your already small screen space and that you'll have to look at your keyboard to type is a massive inhibitant for productivity. Not to mention the constant autocorrecting if you are doing any industry-specific work.

Re: Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone become unbearable?

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Tap and hold on the space bar to get something akin to a trackpad to move the caret around.

The thing I can never figure out how to do is move the cursor very far, eg to the other end of a url in the address bar. Spacebar trick only moves the cursor so far. That’s mostly only useful if the text field has word wrap because you can move it up and down.

An easy fix for that would be to allow a second finger to drag the text field - hold space to activate the cursor, drag the text with a second, bingo. Or let the second finger hit "jump left, jump right" targets on the blank keyboard when you're holding space (but this is more mechanically difficult at least for me.)
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