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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by coffeeblack »

FireBeyond wrote: post #116
zuhayeer wrote: post #100

Once upon a time, all plane transmissions were pretty much air to ground. As inconsequential as it may seem, the positioning of antennas above the plane are a bit metaphoric for flipping things up side down. Looking out into space instead of back to earth. Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Pretty much dogfooding…

> In-flight wifi (and otherwise all other transmissions) have pretty much always been air to ground This has not been the case for several years. Most in flight Wifi is now being provided by Viasat which, as the name suggests, is air to space. Even Gogo started rolling out satellite service in 2015. Very few services are now air-to-ground. Random pictures: https://i.stack.imgur.com/I7Yfd.jpg https://cdn.arstechnica.n…

They are air to geo stationary, and that’s a long way. 50,000 km instead of Starlink’s 300 km, iirc.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #248
londons_explore wrote: post #239

Won't this require spectrum licensed from every country the plane fly's over? Easy in North America... But all other regions of the world a typical flight might go over 20 countries. If you can't secure a license for just one, you're gonna have a 5 hour flight with 20 minutes of no internet... Not great. And I don't think they're getting a license for Russia, Iran, China, half of Africa, etc any time soon.

No planes are flying over Russia anyway

No western planes. Most, if not all, Asian and Middle Eastern airlines are still flying through Russian airspace.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by stargazing »

usednet wrote: post #245
broodbucket wrote: post #112

Just want to say the idea of joining a game at 20ms and ending it at 80ms because you've traveled thousands of kilometres is highly amusing to me.

Just out of curiosity I have played CS:GO and other competitive FPSs on planes before. I can’t imagine actually playing well on good ping, even briefly on a plane. I didn’t think something like that would ever even be possible in my lifetime.

I'm sorry - but the mental image of someone playing T-side on dust2 while on a plane and the sound "bomb has been planted" on max volume just echoes throughout the cabin is too hilarious!

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by valzam »

xattt wrote: post #300
reacharavindh wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a dense city near Amsterdam. My home does not yet have a fiber for high bandwidth connection. However, I found myself content with the 300 Mbps line supplied by cable. A typical 4K video stream is about 25Mbps of bandwidth. So, for households 300Mbps is plenty for now. What is nicer is reliability of the connections and the latencies. If fiber could bring any benefits there, I'd be happy to pay up. How is S…

How is DOCSIS in terms of latency (compared to a fibre line)?

At least in Germany it's worse but generally fine, you can achieve <20ms ping for online gaming within or near Germany. Fiber is for sure better through but probably won't make a difference in day2day.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by LightG »

ggregoire wrote: post #161

Slightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.

Yes, maybe he would then have had a legitimate reason to use the term 'Autopilot'.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by bobthepanda »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #292
Arnt wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend lives in a city with a lot of startups, a lot of technology companies and a research university that's been on the internet since before the DNS. He's on the waiting list for Starlink because the fastest residential connection he can get is 3Mbps. There's much fiber there, but also many streets where no fiber is available. AFAICT that kind of spottiness is the most common case and few cities have uniformly g…

You'd think there would be investors popping up left and right to improve it, because offering 500 Mbps in an area where you can only get 3 Mbps is sure to sell. Is this where the weird dichotomy between the US being on the one side very liberal for businesses yet on the other very restrictive? (the restrictive being protectionist practices from the established companies in this case)

The primary issue is

* there isn’t any sort of provider like Openreach where all the ISPs share some portion of the network (in Openreach’s case, the last-mile network) so every ISP has to build every last inch to the home themselves

* generally speaking, ISPs have to get permits from localities, which are often cash-strapped and thus looking to scrape as much money as they can from an unsympathetic sector

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by valzam »

Arnt wrote: post #286
devoutsalsa wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe this. A city full of startups can't be stuck w/ maximum 3Mbps Internet. Can it?

The city has much better options in some areas, but not in his street. It's in North Carolina, US, he lives closish to the UNC campus (if UNC has several campuses, then close to the one that was on the internet 40+ years ago).

Getting internet early is often a curse since companies priorities build outs where they have no coverage at all. That being said, 3 MB/s should get you very high on the 'to upgrade ' list...

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by zekica »

reacharavindh wrote: post #290
jazzyjackson wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?

I live in a dense city near Amsterdam. My home does not yet have a fiber for high bandwidth connection. However, I found myself content with the 300 Mbps line supplied by cable. A typical 4K video stream is about 25Mbps of bandwidth. So, for households 300Mbps is plenty for now. What is nicer is reliability of the connections and the latencies. If fiber could bring any benefits there, I'd be happy to pay up. How is S…

Starlink generally has 20-40ms of latency. Speed for fixed residential connections is different depending on congestion and trees - 50Mbps to 400Mbps for download and 10-100Mbps for upload from what I have seen.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by panick21_ »

laundermaf wrote: post #294
unsupp0rted wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst part about flying is the part before and after the plane ride, when you get stressed about what time to show up, going through security, sitting around, waiting to board, landing and waiting for the doors to open, taking a bus to the terminal, waiting for a carousel for 5 ~ 60 minutes, etc. If someone could solve that for me affordably, I can handle the sitting on an airplane in economy class for 15 hours b…

Isn't PreCheck supposed to lessen that a bit? I don't think "security" is going to be lessened in our lifetime, if anything it can only get worse. Disrupting the space would take an insane amount of money you don't have. People who have money, can fly private.

Everybody getting PreCheck and all those other features is basically lessening security, but only if you pay.
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