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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by parker_mountain »

thot_experiment wrote: post #56
parker_mountain wrote: post #12

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> a problem left to etiquette I fly regularly, and it will absolutely become a problem on day 1.

This seems so backwards to me, why would you want other people to behave the way you want them to when you can just put in earplugs, noise cancelling headphones, have self control and not get annoyed, etc etc. It seems crazy to me that people consider something so minor to be uncouth or whatever. I think in general the onus to take care of something should be on the person getting annoyed and only until you've exhaus…

> noise cancelling headphones

decent, working anc is still out of financial reach for many people flying in economy. there's no way not to be classist when talking about what flying economy is like today, but the average hn participator probably has more disposal income than the average american.

> I think in general the onus to take care of something should be on the person getting annoyed

i'd agree, except it takes one person to be magnificently annoying to 5 or 6 people at once. sometimes less, often more.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by chrisco255 »

impulser_ wrote: post #69
brianwawok wrote: post #45

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Most of the time a plane is over farm fields or water. Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. Not gonna be flying over NYC w this. Kind of a good fit I would think in terms of utilization.

Why would the highest demand for Starlink be in cities? Who in their right mind would pay for Starlink over fiber? The same cost, but a lot better connection lol.

I'm a full time RVer and carry a Starlink because while the campgrounds usually have WiFi, they often are terrible and get bogged down easily. I'm usually parked in or near a large city. I've noticed lately that Starlinks are becoming more and more popular among RVers.

Also, I routinely get 100+ Mbps on Starlink, which is better than a lot of connections available across the country.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by parker_mountain »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
parker_mountain wrote: post #12

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> a problem left to etiquette I fly regularly, and it will absolutely become a problem on day 1.

> it will absolutely become a problem on day 1 To the degree it's permitted by airline policy, it will almost certainly be on a premium Wi-fi tier and restricted to call booths.

> restricted to call booths

on an airplane? there is no way that could possibly work.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by parker_mountain »

ralusek wrote: post #117
MBCook wrote: post #58

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Have you been around people in the last 10+ years? Etiquette will fail. If this ability is there, the airlines need rules. People will use it.

Etiquette can be enforced.

The problem with enforcement is that it is always uneven. And, when you can't get away from the person violating etiquette, it sucks real hard.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by Arnt »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #53
brianwawok wrote: post #45

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Most of the time a plane is over farm fields or water. Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. Not gonna be flying over NYC w this. Kind of a good fit I would think in terms of utilization.

> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?

A friend lives in a city with a lot of startups, a lot of technology companies and a research university that's been on the internet since before the DNS. He's on the waiting list for Starlink because the fastest residential connection he can get is 3Mbps.

There's much fiber there, but also many streets where no fiber is available. AFAICT that kind of spottiness is the most common case and few cities have uniformly good coverage. I do hope 3Mbps is rare though.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by mytailorisrich »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #267
ggregoire wrote: post #161

Slightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.

The worst part about flying is the part before and after the plane ride, when you get stressed about what time to show up, going through security, sitting around, waiting to board, landing and waiting for the doors to open, taking a bus to the terminal, waiting for a carousel for 5 ~ 60 minutes, etc. If someone could solve that for me affordably, I can handle the sitting on an airplane in economy class for 15 hours b…

The solution exists but unfortunately for your affordability criterion it means flying first class.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by devoutsalsa »

Arnt wrote: post #275
jazzyjackson wrote: post #53

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> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?

A friend lives in a city with a lot of startups, a lot of technology companies and a research university that's been on the internet since before the DNS. He's on the waiting list for Starlink because the fastest residential connection he can get is 3Mbps. There's much fiber there, but also many streets where no fiber is available. AFAICT that kind of spottiness is the most common case and few cities have uniformly g…

I don't believe this. A city full of startups can't be stuck w/ maximum 3Mbps Internet. Can it?

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by jonasdegendt »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #53
brianwawok wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time a plane is over farm fields or water. Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. Not gonna be flying over NYC w this. Kind of a good fit I would think in terms of utilization.

> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?

Plenty of older cities don't have fiber all over. I'm in Western Europe and they're gradually installing fiber across the country, new developments get fiber by default.

So at home I'm on 50 Mbps VDSL. My company's office has fiber but it has a Starlink for fallback.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by simondotau »

ggregoire wrote: post #161

Slightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.

Do you mean an airline (end service provider) or an airplane manufacturer? The latter would be more analogous to what Elon has done with SpaceX.

If the former, I couldn’t imagine anything more deathly boring than this, working insanely hard to run a commodity service that’s fundamentally identical to all of your competitors other than on the margins. It would be like wondering how different the car hire industry would be if Musk had launched a hire company at the same time as Tesla.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by londons_explore »

borissk wrote: post #260
londons_explore wrote: post #238

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If I was an airline considering this, I'd want to see $/km fuel costs from the extra air resistance in the sales brochure...

It will be a lot less than the percentage a radio antenna increases the fuel consumption of a car. Modern planes like the 787 are made to a big degree from composites and the antenna can be installed inside the fuselage - leading to 0% increase in air resistance.

The pictures on the site show a roof mounted one... It's raised like 4 inches off the body, so it's gotta cause quite some drag at 500 mph
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