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Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Anecdotally I had a misandrist/sexist teacher in fourth grade. It was the first grade where they split our maths class. I didn't fail the class, but that teacher rode me extremely hard. She did do other abusive things, like encouraging students to bully each other, and she'd throw an eraser and hit me with a ruler on two separate occasions because she believed I wasn't awake enough. She recommended at the end of the…

The American public school system is a veritable penal colony proxy. My experience with math was much the same. As someone on the tail end of the Bell curve and for whom such a monolithic system was a poor fit, I wasted over a dozen years of my life there, in unfortunately what were my most formative years. Luckily my siblings are correcting that with their children.

Some more bits: It was actually a private school, but I don't doubt that during this time period similar things were happening in public school. The private school I went to was very big on standardized testing and what got me into the upper math course in the first place was my standardized testing score. My math scores, throughout my time at that school, declined after fourth grade because the "lower" class was roughly two years behind the upper class. This effect would leak into the sciences too because curriculum obviously was difficult to align at that point.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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It's conscious bias, and it's not fair. A lot of women teachers consciously hold boys down to promote girls.

But on the other hand conscious bias is the only way to compensate for unconscious bias, isn't it? It's just hard to judge where to stop. Without blind testing it's probably futile.

Not much comfort to people who suffer in school because all the teachers saw them as an actor in a system instead of a person.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Simply because some group advocates something, doesnt mean its not true. Implying this is a non-argument. Maybe youre part of the problem?

Like the sugar industry ? Chemical lobby selling "harmless" pesticides or big pharma ?

Lobbies are like ideologies right ? You only hate the ones you don't agree with ?

I'm open to anything but don't come to me with a pro trump conservative lobby as if it was god's truth lol... talking about biases and coming up with these really isn't advancing your point

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Simply because some group advocates something, doesnt mean its not true. Implying this is a non-argument. Maybe youre part of the problem?

Like the sugar industry ? Chemical lobby selling "harmless" pesticides or big pharma ? Lobbies are like ideologies right ? You only hate the ones you don't agree with ? I'm open to anything but don't come to me with a pro trump conservative lobby as if it was god's truth lol... talking about biases and coming up with these really isn't advancing your point

So this is another silly point. What has sugar got to do with this? Or pesticides? Or pharmaceuticals? The truth exists independent of your need to assign things to an ideological bucket.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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But on the other hand conscious bias is the only way to compensate for unconscious bias, isn't it? It's just hard to judge where to stop. Without blind testing it's probably futile.

Not much comfort to people who suffer in school because all the teachers saw them as an actor in a system instead of a person.

We are all actors in a system, but that has nothing to do with it

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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> D.Ed. is Director of High School Outreach at the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education In 2017, FIRE was listed as one of the sponsors of the conservative campus group Turning Point USA's FIRE has received major funding from groups which primarily support conservative and libertarian causes ok... I can also find books from the other end of the spectrum saying the opposite If that's your only issue find a sc…

> If that's your only issue find a school that is leaning toward your own political tribe Your statement sums up the problem nicely. Schools are places children go to get an unbiased education. Politics have no place in schools.

Once you get past the fundamentals, avoiding politics in education is impossible. Deciding what is most important to teach students in primary education given limited time is politics. History is nearly all a stitched together story of various politics. It's impossible to avoid politics in Civics if you intend to delve into the intents of why things do or don't exist.

In the two topic examples given, you can avoid politics by avoiding trying to teach the why of social things, but I'd argue then you're not giving a particularly good education.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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It's conscious bias, and it's not fair. A lot of women teachers consciously hold boys down to promote girls.

But on the other hand conscious bias is the only way to compensate for unconscious bias, isn't it? It's just hard to judge where to stop. Without blind testing it's probably futile.

Sure and actions have consequences I don't hire misandrists.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

My wife and I were both homeschooled and are homeschooling our children. Their opportunities are far more diverse than if they were in school most of the day. They don't have digital device addictions and play outside 10x most other kids. They are capable of engaging people across a wide range of ages, not just those within a year or two in age. When playing with similarly aged peers, they are consistently the leader…

> I got my position because I have a distinctively different approach to problems than most.

How does your approach differ?

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Speculatively, even things as simple as boys being more likely to turn an assignment in late could contribute to results like this. How conceivable is it that this is just the effect of gender-aligned behavior differences?

From the article, the comparisons were made between classroom exams (graded by the teachers) vs national exams (standardized grading), not homework assignments.

Net potentially gendered behavior differences, like asking for regrades or points back from the classroom teacher, could still exist. But yeah, thought about classroom grade not classroom test grade, because I didn't carefully curate things in my head.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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But on the other hand conscious bias is the only way to compensate for unconscious bias, isn't it? It's just hard to judge where to stop. Without blind testing it's probably futile.

Sure and actions have consequences I don't hire misandrists.

Sure and you hire misogynists or perfectly just individuals that exist only in your imagination
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