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Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#11

Post by misterbwong »

mwgriffith wrote: post #8
grhino wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be a net gain for Microsoft if the Windows developer community begins to embrace github. As long as the most talented in the community don't leave the Windows platform, it could lead to a more vibrant and productive Windows developer community.

Unfortunately, its been my experience that the Windows developer community rarely embraces anything outside of Microsoft. I hope your right though.

I've had similar experiences. Hopefully Phil Haack's move out of MS doesn't affect its future moves in support of OSS.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#12

Post by InclinedPlane »

untog wrote: post #7

This is great news for .NET devs- the Windows GitHub client (and VS integration) is not great. This is awful news for .NET devs- ASP.NET MVC is the best thing that's happened to ASP.NET since it began. Losing the lead guy on that project is worrying.

It's a bit distressing that a lot of the most interesting .NET things (such as mono[touch,droid] and asp.net MVC) are either black sheep or 3rd party projects. .NET is a solid technology, but I fear it may end up having a limited lifespan due to being so heavily tied to windows, especially as the next generation of systems (tablets, non-traditional PCs, etc.) starts taking over the market.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#13

Post by robconery »

phatboyslim wrote: post #3

For anyone curious about any background on Phil Haack. Here are his notable accomplishments. - MS Lead on ASP.net MVC framework vers. 1 through 3 (current) - Lead on the NuGet package manager framework for Visual Studio - This Developer's Life Podcast with Scott Hanselman

Phil also invented C#, the Faux Hawk, and Daft Punk

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#14

Post by haacked »

drmohundro wrote: post #6
hkarthik wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think This Developer's Life is hosted by Rob Conery.

Both Scott Hanselman and Rob Conery collaborate on This Developer's Life.

Yep, I had nothing to do with TDL. Wish I could claim it, but I can't. I mean, I guess I could and lie about it, but no. Won't do that. Not yet anyways. :)

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#15

Post by sofuture »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #12
untog wrote: post #7

This is great news for .NET devs- the Windows GitHub client (and VS integration) is not great. This is awful news for .NET devs- ASP.NET MVC is the best thing that's happened to ASP.NET since it began. Losing the lead guy on that project is worrying.

It's a bit distressing that a lot of the most interesting .NET things (such as mono[touch,droid] and asp.net MVC) are either black sheep or 3rd party projects. .NET is a solid technology, but I fear it may end up having a limited lifespan due to being so heavily tied to windows, especially as the next generation of systems (tablets, non-traditional PCs, etc.) starts taking over the market.

I've been a staunch .Net defender for a long time, but have almost entirely thrown in the towel at this point. MVC is awesome, C# is awesome, F# is awesome...

but, unfortunately Mono just doesn't cut it (Boehm GC? Really? s-gen is a nightmare too, before you counter with that) and Windows isn't a realistic option for a lot of people.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#16

Post by haacked »

misterbwong wrote: post #11
mwgriffith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, its been my experience that the Windows developer community rarely embraces anything outside of Microsoft. I hope your right though.

I've had similar experiences. Hopefully Phil Haack's move out of MS doesn't affect its future moves in support of OSS.

There's a lot of good stuff coming in that respect. As long as ScottGu carries the torch, things are good there. :)

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#17

Post by haacked »

untog wrote: post #7

This is great news for .NET devs- the Windows GitHub client (and VS integration) is not great. This is awful news for .NET devs- ASP.NET MVC is the best thing that's happened to ASP.NET since it began. Losing the lead guy on that project is worrying.

Well, the lead developer is still on the project. He started on MVC even before me. It's in good hands. :)

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#19

Post by ronnier »

haacked wrote: post #17
untog wrote: post #7

This is great news for .NET devs- the Windows GitHub client (and VS integration) is not great. This is awful news for .NET devs- ASP.NET MVC is the best thing that's happened to ASP.NET since it began. Losing the lead guy on that project is worrying.

Well, the lead developer is still on the project. He started on MVC even before me. It's in good hands. :)

Are you moving from Bellevue?

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

#20

Post by TomOfTTB »

This is a good thing for Microsoft.

Microsoft needs to become more outwardly focused and influential softies leaving the fold and pushing from the outside will do that. Right now the two good things Microsoft has going for it is MVC and C#. Both of which were inspired or heavily influenced by outside forces (MVC by Castle and C# 4 was influenced heavily by Python).

Phil Haack moving to Github will hopefully push Microsoft to embrace open collaboration systems a little better and because he's outside of Microsoft he won't have to deal with "you might kill off VS Team Foundation" hindrances.

All this in turn MIGHT give Microsoft a chance at becoming relevant again in the developer space (and please don't say "a lot of people use Microsoft" because I'm one of those people and I know a lot of those people and they're all looking at their future with worried eyes)

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