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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by diebeforei485 »

shaklee3 wrote: post #180
TheRealPomax wrote: post #172

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Yet again, we hit the "that depends entirely on where you live". On Vancouver Island, planes spend most of their time nowhere near populated areas, but between populated areas. Not that you'd need internet on those flights, but let's also not pretend there's only one type of plane flying one type of route with one type of customer in one type of setting (or even only one of those restrictions).

I've done route planning for internet service. the vast, vast majority of the time they're in busy areas. you're talking about outliers.

This is for general aviation, not airlines.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by georgeg23 »

HyperSane wrote: post #110
socialismisok wrote: post #84

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Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

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It's because his companies are fundamentally built on a lie that started in 2002:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by shaklee3 »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #201
shaklee3 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done route planning for internet service. the vast, vast majority of the time they're in busy areas. you're talking about outliers.

This is for general aviation, not airlines.

same thing applies since they share the same airports. they'll give these planes higher priority because of the cost, but it's not enough to make an entire business from. they need the residential service to be profitable.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by socialismisok »

ericd wrote: post #188
rootusrootus wrote: post #168

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It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.

What models are you referring to? Having driven a loaded Taycan, which I think is probably most often cited as being superior, I’d take even a basic Tesla over it any day. AFAICT, none of the competitors have the full system UX dialed in like Tesla.

BMW ix, Ford Mach e, Ford lightning, Mercedes EQS, Hyundai Kona, VW id4, Rivian r1t. Both established brands and new players are coming after the market hard. It's not hard to imagine that Tesla will have serious competition basically now.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by adrr »

hda2 wrote: post #178
adrr wrote: post #162

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You bought the FSD feature as well? Still haven't been invited to beta but my bigger problem is the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. Musk never prioritizes his current customers. Need those cables for new cars.

> the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. I would have assumed that this issue would be quickly addressed by aftermarket suppliers just like it would with any other car manufacturer. Are Tesla like Apple? (i.e abuse laws and technology to lock customers in) Do they go after third party suppliers/parts?

I haven't tried. It's a recall and don't really want to pay for their defect. It will be interesting to see if I can get my tabs next year because california requires recalls to be fixed in a certain amount of time.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by mlindner »

shaklee3 wrote: post #166
modeless wrote: post #147

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It's a refundable deposit, not a down payment. There is no obligation on either side. There is too much demand and the service is oversubscribed in populated areas. Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated, so it makes perfect sense that they can offer service to planes before people in oversubscribed regions. They are working as hard as they possibly can to get Starship working, which will enable St…

> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

> no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

Except most of a passenger's time in an aircraft isn't spent sitting on the ground (if it is, something's gone wrong) and they can use cell phones and wifi hotspots in such locations anyway.

Further, major airports aren't _populated_. People don't live there and airports are large enough they fill up a significant fraction of a starlink cell.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by elihu »

hndamien wrote: post #89

Would this be good for remote pilots flying fighter jets, or has that been adequately serviced by military tech?

Presumably it could be useful in that context. I don't know what the alternative is; probably direct radio links to other planes and/or ground stations.

It might be a problem for SpaceX if their satellite network were to be deemed a military asset -- a foreign government might consider them a legitimate military target and destroy the satellites if they have the means to do so.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by ultrarunner »

amacalac wrote: post #2

Low latency for Video Calls? Sure, great on private charter jets where it’s you or a couple of people who know each other. Also, generally in favour of the march of technology, so I love this. Do Not Ever want on a flight where I’m sitting beside some random ass stranger who will chat or video chat to whoever at the top of their voice while I’m trying to relax.

I get this angle, but I just bring good headphones and random-ass strangers aren't the most uncomfortable part of flying. At least not the noise they make.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by s1artibartfast »

shaklee3 wrote: post #176
viczsaszbo wrote: post #164

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SpaceX pays for service of ~14k terminals out of 25k and wartime service uses a lot more resources than regular business or residential grade. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1582523481345835008

by choice. if you want the media attention for your good Samaritan act when you send them, you also get the negative attention when you renege.

Which should balance out, leaving the fact that he is still providing an invaluable service to the paying customer
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