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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by ericd »

adrr wrote: post #162
socialismisok wrote: post #84

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Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

You bought the FSD feature as well? Still haven't been invited to beta but my bigger problem is the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. Musk never prioritizes his current customers. Need those cables for new cars.

I don’t know how you back up without one, the rear windows are so tiny, and at least on the Y, high off the ground. Rear visibility is awful.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by ericraio »

eganist wrote: post #105

Edit: a fatal assumption that it's the airlines providing the service underpins my original post below, whereas instead it's the providers charging passengers directly. That's an entirely different model from below, so disregard my original comment aside maybe my last line. Preserving the comment for context though. --- At 25,000/mo, assuming a jet makes 60 trans-con segments in the US per month and a price of $20 pe…

Let’s not forget that this could be a value add, they can easily increase flight ticket prices by $20 and offer the service for free. They can also remove inflight monitors from the planes, reducing the weight of the overall plane, increase plane tickets by $10 and offer it Free. There’s many ways to play with the numbers

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by noduerme »

soheil wrote: post #138
noduerme wrote: post #83

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Because when strangers start chatting next to you, you can join the conversation and at least aren't relegated to listening to one side of it. Talking to new people in public is social. Talking on the phone in public is antisocial.

So if airlines enforced callers to put their device on speaker that'd resolve the issue?

Not really, since casually joining someone else's speaker call is almost as rude as taking one in the first place.

The objective when designing any environment where people are forced together is to limit interpersonal friction and, where possible, encourage civility and cooperation. From that perspective, all verbalizations to or from people not interacting with the environment are detrimental.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by shaklee3 »

foolfoolz wrote: post #177
shaklee3 wrote: post #166

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> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

the wifi does not need to work on the ground. if an airline says they have onboard wifi and you’re using base station data on the ground 95% of people won’t have a problem

it does, and people use it today for that. JetBlue has a huge amount of usage on the ground.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by shaklee3 »

hunter2_ wrote: post #173
shaklee3 wrote: post #166

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> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

Why can't a plane switch to LTE or some proprietary airport base station while on the ground?

because then they have to make agreements with cell providers and put special antennas on for that one use case

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by Thlom »

wolrah wrote: post #88
selectodude wrote: post #21

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Viasat Global Unlimited is $14,000/mo. I'm sure Starlink will be better in some way, but it's almost double...

> I'm sure Starlink will be better in some way, but it's almost double... The most important difference is that Viasat uses a couple of GEO satellites where Starlink uses a massive swarm of LEO satellites. Viasat's satellites are flying just short of 35,800 kilometers over the equator, which means that your absolute best case scenario user standing right next to a gateway, both directly under the satellite, bare mini…

As long as you have bandwidth latency really isn’t that important for most activities. It can suck a bit for voice and video calls (but not as bad as you might think). Online fast paced gaming is of course out of the question.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by anvuong »

FireBeyond wrote: post #134
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #47

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Is this extortion? I thought StarLink is a business, not a charity. As I understand it, Musk is asking for someone to pay for the Ukraine service… although I admit I may not know the whole story.

The US government is paying for services, so is the Ukrainian. As is USAID. Ukraine wants a $500/month service. Musk/Starlink wants them to be on the $4,500/month service and is complaining that they're "losing money" because they're not. Oh, and they want to continue being paid for services for terminals that have been destroyed (because, y'know, war).

I doubt the 500$/month plan would be able to withstand the cyber warfare waged by Russia. Encryption and anti jamming is not cheap.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by ericd »

rootusrootus wrote: post #168
snek_case wrote: post #165

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They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.

It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.

What models are you referring to? Having driven a loaded Taycan, which I think is probably most often cited as being superior, I’d take even a basic Tesla over it any day. AFAICT, none of the competitors have the full system UX dialed in like Tesla.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by gaadd33 »

bpodgursky wrote: post #141
jazzyjackson wrote: post #53

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> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?

This is a very US-centric (or at least western-centric) view of the world.

I didn't think a lot of the cities can get fiber to the home. I know I can't in NYC and when I was in LA, nor in Ft Lauderdale. Is it easier in most other big cities?

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

hunter2_ wrote: post #173
shaklee3 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.

Why can't a plane switch to LTE or some proprietary airport base station while on the ground?

one reason is that lte providers mostly don't point antennas up.
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