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Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by tortilla »

alaskamiller wrote: post #23
petercooper wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not trying to be a Porsche of the computer industry. Apple is a mass market company with growing marketshare - it's one of the biggest computer manufacturers in the world. Porsche's output is tiny compared to that of Ford. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, especially when it makes no sense.

Apple does want to be the Porsche of the computer industry. The adoration and expanding market share is just incidental of them being the Porsche of the computer industry. It's also quite small in the grand scheme things, 1/10 of the global market.

1/10 of the global market is pretty damn good.

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by dcurtis »

SwellJoe wrote: post #17
weegee wrote: post #8

the Macbook keyboard takes some getting used to. it's a shame they moved away from the nicer keyboards on the old Macbook Pros. I use a bluetooth keyboard while at home with my Macbook as well as an external monitor, which makes it a lot nicer. Also leaving Firewire 400 off is interesting, as I prefer it to USB 2.0 for the higher speed. Looks like I'll not be buying another Macbook for a while.

Also leaving Firewire 400 off is interesting, as I prefer it to USB 2.0 for the higher speed. If you mean "lower" when you say "higher", then your statement is true. USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps. Firewire 400 is...100, 200, or 400 Mbps. Firewire 800, on the other hand, tops out at 800 Mbps, but uses an incompatible cable type, thus making it even less common than Firewire 400, and practically useless except for folks doing hi…

Not entirely true. USB 2.0's "peak" speed is 480Mbps, but it actually performs worse for large transfers than firewire.

From what I understand, it's designed for short bursts of data at very high speeds.

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by Oompa »

SwellJoe wrote: post #17
weegee wrote: post #8

the Macbook keyboard takes some getting used to. it's a shame they moved away from the nicer keyboards on the old Macbook Pros. I use a bluetooth keyboard while at home with my Macbook as well as an external monitor, which makes it a lot nicer. Also leaving Firewire 400 off is interesting, as I prefer it to USB 2.0 for the higher speed. Looks like I'll not be buying another Macbook for a while.

Also leaving Firewire 400 off is interesting, as I prefer it to USB 2.0 for the higher speed. If you mean "lower" when you say "higher", then your statement is true. USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps. Firewire 400 is...100, 200, or 400 Mbps. Firewire 800, on the other hand, tops out at 800 Mbps, but uses an incompatible cable type, thus making it even less common than Firewire 400, and practically useless except for folks doing hi…

480 Mbps is theoretical speed. Most things don't reach that. In real life usage, Firewire 400 tends to be quicker than USB 2.0, or at least that's the case from my experience.

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by akd »

mdasen wrote: post #5

I'm a tad frustrated. I love Apple and the Mac OS, but sometimes it really gets to be that the Mac space is a one supplier game. Apple has decided for me that I like glossy screens. I was pretty sure I hated them, but I guess Apple must be right. I also hate real buttons I guess. I'm looking forward to when Apple replaces my keyboard with a pretty glass piece as well. I really need a new laptop (PowerBook is ready to…

If the hardware bothers you that much just get a Dell and install Mac OS. Steve Jobs isn't going to send the FBI to your doorstep.

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by tsetse-fly »

timr wrote: post #28
m0digital wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No tactile feedback". The button goes down and clicks. What more tactile feedback is there for a button?

Every source I've seen -- including the linked article -- describes it as a "glass multi-touch trackpad". This does not imply that it has tactile feedback, beyond the clicky noises (which aren't tactile). Where did you get your information?

"...and we actually don't hate the all-clicking trackpad much at all. (If your thumb muscle memory makes you click at the bottom where the button used to be, it works and feels pretty much the same.)"

It /feels/ the same as the old trackpad thus it has tactile feedback. The entire trackpad clicks.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/apple-macbook-aluminum-an...

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by timr »

timr wrote: post #28
m0digital wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No tactile feedback". The button goes down and clicks. What more tactile feedback is there for a button?

Every source I've seen -- including the linked article -- describes it as a "glass multi-touch trackpad". This does not imply that it has tactile feedback, beyond the clicky noises (which aren't tactile). Where did you get your information?

Hey...can we please stop with the moderation flogging?

I asked a question in good faith. Why all the down-voting?

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by jonknee »

timr wrote: post #28
m0digital wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No tactile feedback". The button goes down and clicks. What more tactile feedback is there for a button?

Every source I've seen -- including the linked article -- describes it as a "glass multi-touch trackpad". This does not imply that it has tactile feedback, beyond the clicky noises (which aren't tactile). Where did you get your information?

Yes, it's a glass trackpad. It's also a physical button. This was made clear in the presentation, in the description on Apple.com and in a video also on Apple.com. Here's the video, you can see the button go up and down:

http://www.apple.com/macbook/#designvideo

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by modoc »

SwellJoe wrote: post #17
weegee wrote: post #8

the Macbook keyboard takes some getting used to. it's a shame they moved away from the nicer keyboards on the old Macbook Pros. I use a bluetooth keyboard while at home with my Macbook as well as an external monitor, which makes it a lot nicer. Also leaving Firewire 400 off is interesting, as I prefer it to USB 2.0 for the higher speed. Looks like I'll not be buying another Macbook for a while.

Also leaving Firewire 400 off is interesting, as I prefer it to USB 2.0 for the higher speed. If you mean "lower" when you say "higher", then your statement is true. USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps. Firewire 400 is...100, 200, or 400 Mbps. Firewire 800, on the other hand, tops out at 800 Mbps, but uses an incompatible cable type, thus making it even less common than Firewire 400, and practically useless except for folks doing hi…

Firewire 400 is pretty well known to generally be faster for high bandwidth data transfers than USB 2.0 despite USB's higher theoretical speed.

http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by timr »

jonknee wrote: post #37
timr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every source I've seen -- including the linked article -- describes it as a "glass multi-touch trackpad". This does not imply that it has tactile feedback, beyond the clicky noises (which aren't tactile). Where did you get your information?

Yes, it's a glass trackpad. It's also a physical button. This was made clear in the presentation, in the description on Apple.com and in a video also on Apple.com. Here's the video, you can see the button go up and down: http://www.apple.com/macbook/#designvideo

The description on the apple site is less than clear ("the trackpad is the button"), but thanks for the video link.

Re: Apple's all-new MacBook Pro

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Post by m0digital »

timr wrote: post #28
m0digital wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No tactile feedback". The button goes down and clicks. What more tactile feedback is there for a button?

Every source I've seen -- including the linked article -- describes it as a "glass multi-touch trackpad". This does not imply that it has tactile feedback, beyond the clicky noises (which aren't tactile). Where did you get your information?

http://www.apple.com/macbook/

Watch the video. 3/4 of the way in, they introduce the trackpad. You can clearly see that the trackpad gets recessed when you click on it.

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