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Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by soundnote »

stoplying1 wrote: post #148
Spivak wrote: post #133

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> All for freaking what? Because they wanted something to talk about social media that was fun and limited time. They were following the Nike playbook with shoe drops including the terminology. Look at the screenshot in the blog post about colorways the art is even a shoe with a basketball. They were trying something new . Limited time cosmetic drops for browsers that get people hyped in every other context. It confu…

So Mozilla is chasing Nike shoe trends to advocate for their browser via colorschemes. I'm not even saying you're wrong, and I guess I'm not even sure that's an absolutely bad idea but Christ if that's "our" play for the future of browsers and privacy, I need to start building that shed ASAP!

I'm fairly sure the play for browser privacy looks like a lion.

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by soundnote »

Spivak wrote: post #156
stoplying1 wrote: post #148

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So Mozilla is chasing Nike shoe trends to advocate for their browser via colorschemes. I'm not even saying you're wrong, and I guess I'm not even sure that's an absolutely bad idea but Christ if that's "our" play for the future of browsers and privacy, I need to start building that shed ASAP!

I get you dude, Firefox got popular because IE stagnated and Mozilla capitalized on it, Chrome ate the world because Google made a significant technical improvement at just the right time neither of which can be replicated again so long as Google keeps up their frankly ridiculous development pace. Safari only lives because a popular platform requires it. Mozilla angling for a cultural victory in the browser war is we…

> Mozilla angling for a cultural victory in the browser war is weird but it's the only thing they and every other alternative browser has.

Or, you know. Do what Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera etc. all do. Features. It works.

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by soundnote »

jrootabega wrote: post #31
Spivak wrote: post #23

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Mozilla really can't win on HN, a feature that basically only exists to save one click (efficiency!) for the kind of people who consume PB regularly is very power user and aligns with their brand as being privacy focused when private mode is the thing that is always visible in the bar. Nobody on HN seems to know at all how to market tech to a general audience and play the game of "staying relevant" so they always hav…

I, and probably many others, feel that the quality of this as an HN submission is related, but not synonymous with, the quality of it as a Mozilla communication. But it was submitted to HN, and so it will be judged as an HN submission. But many of us also believe that, though it's POSSIBLE Mozilla is acting how you describe ("We are committed to privacy at our core but we have to publish this kind of press release to…

Brave and Vivaldi manage to focus on privacy and not write sickening marketing copy. It's a Mozilla problem.

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by soundnote »

Spivak wrote: post #146
Karunamon wrote: post #73

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How much do you want to bet the "general audience" does not care one bit about this and will not meaningfully move the (declining) DAU numbers? Mozilla's problems are in its fundamentals, not its marketing.

Mozilla's problem is they have been grasping for an answer to "why should you use Firefox over Chrome?" that actually resonates with people for over a decade. The product is fine, Firefox is a perfectly capable browser. Convincing people to use it is a soft-skills problem because the only reason to use Firefox is because you like Mozilla more than you like Google which is entirely driven by Mozilla having good-feels…

Their marketing copy is actively repellent to me at least, and judging by friends and comments in this thread, I'm not alone.

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by cute_boi »

mFixman wrote: post #273
GordonS wrote: post #217

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Nightly is the only build where you can use extensions, which IMO is the reason to use FF on mobile :(

I'm using extensions on regular Firefox 106 for Android.

If I am correct we can only choose few extensions including ublock in ff(except nightly?

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by 0x457 »

dylan604 wrote: post #249
0x457 wrote: post #214

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You sure that you're not confusing SFTP and FTPS? FTPS is absolutely FTP. Also, FTP is still used a lot, unfortunately.

So you're telling me that if I enter ftp://blah to something expecting a secured connection that it'll work just fine no problems? Then I have to ask what the point of the 'S' really is. >Also, FTP is still used a lot, unfortunately. Um, like, yup. Please see my original comment on my feeling on this.

No, what I'm saying FTPS is just plain FTP over TLS connection, there is nothing special about it. When you talk to a web server, do you refer to the piece of software that does communication for you "http client" or "https client" or "http and or https client"?

What I'm saying: You're being needlessly pedantic. When people say FTP, they might mean SFTP, it might talk about FTPS or plain FTP. If I read original comment correctly, it is about FireFTP, it talks all 3 commonly used flavors of FTP. Notice how it's called FireFTP and not FireSFTP/FTP/FTPS...

Me, personally, always specifically clarify that I'm talking about plain-text FTP when I talk about plain-text FTP because of how bonkers it is.

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by layer8 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #155
wlesieutre wrote: post #72

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> “‘Independent Voices’ are the voices of the past and present that create a better future,” said Keely Alexis. “I chose this [analogy] as my inspiration for the collaboration because it feels authentic to me but it also aligns with Firefox and the vision that we can make the world better, on the internet and beyond.” Hooli is about people. Hooli is about innovative technology that makes a difference, transforming th…

Sounds like Zombo.com

Zombo.com is way better. Firefox could make it the default start page.

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Post by acdha »

hayst4ck wrote: post #225

I am extremely surprised by all the negative Firefox sentiment here. I switched from Chrome as soon as manifest v3 was announced and I have been almost completely happy with it. In all the ways I'm unhappy with it, chrome is even worse.

Firefox is interesting because its roots as an open source project go back a long time and Mozilla has generally been one of the most open companies working in that space. That's lead a lot of people to identify as members of that community, which is good in some aspects but also means that you have a vocal group of people who appear to feel that having participated in a few Bugzilla issues over a few decades means that they should be consulted on every change.

Over the same time period, web browsers have gone from a hot new technology to a part of daily life for most people in developed countries, and that's created areas for conflict where someone at Mozilla is trying to figure out how to retain users against a hostile trillion-dollar company and coming to conclusions which are different than some of the more conservative members of the user community want. We saw this with things like XUL's deprecation where that feature was blocking a lot of improvements which benefit 100% of users and a small group of users felt very strongly that someone else should do the extensive amount of work needed to maintain and modernize a lightly-used feature.

Re: Firefox Private Browsing mode upgrade

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Post by acdha »

asdff wrote: post #252
hayst4ck wrote: post #225

I am extremely surprised by all the negative Firefox sentiment here. I switched from Chrome as soon as manifest v3 was announced and I have been almost completely happy with it. In all the ways I'm unhappy with it, chrome is even worse.

I don't know how anyone browses the modern web without ublock origin. I don't even go on websites on my iphone anymore because they are unusable with the banner ads, the footer ads, the autoplay videos, and trying to gleam information from 1 inch worth of text on my phone. I blow through my datacap in no time. Like why did we make these phone screens so big, just to fit more ads?

I use Firefox Focus as a content blocker on iOS. It's night and difference for how much data the average news site takes to load.
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