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Re: iPad Pro M2

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Why do the support costs go to zero? I would think iPads would bring their own set of problems/hazards that laptops may not have.

I thought with an iPad you simply can't manage it remotely. If you can, I want to know, because my father-in-law keeps screwing up his iPad and I can't fix it without shipping it back and forth.

Sure you can. Look into MDM services like Jamf Now.

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I bought a 2G ipad pro and it was very useful as just a writing tablet. Unlimited paper, though I had to get a paper-like screen protector since otherwise their wasn't enough friction between the screen and the pen to make me happy. I'm disappointed there aren't more pen-based programming experiences out there, but I can't really think of any useful ones myself either.

For writing, have you checked out the remarkable? ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24295443 ) It's an e-ink display with paper like friction and if you really want to, you can shell into the linux system it runs on.

The reason the iPad Pro works so great for writing is the 120Hz refresh. I don't think we will see that in an e-ink system anytime soon, but I can always dream.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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It has IEEE 802.11ax WiFi6E, first Apple device with it, apparently. Even the M2 MacBook Air and the Mac Studio don't have it.

Edit: only dual-band. no 6GHz? WTF, Apple? Definitely skipping this generation, then.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Why do the support costs go to zero? I would think iPads would bring their own set of problems/hazards that laptops may not have.

I thought with an iPad you simply can't manage it remotely. If you can, I want to know, because my father-in-law keeps screwing up his iPad and I can't fix it without shipping it back and forth.

Splashtop will let you view an ipad's screen. It's fiddly to start (remote user has to allow access, enable broadcasting, etc every time, and this is a non-trivial step to get over), but it does work, in the sense that seeing the screen is faster than just guessing what is going on as your panicked user pokes randomly at things no matter what you say, leaving you with no context.

It is functional enough to be useful, if the other person on the line is good at following instructions.

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I am a lawyer, my boss uses an ipad pro heavily for work. He usually does not have much time to work on stuff, we mail him the contracts, documents etc., he marks them up with digital pen with his comments and sends it to us to revise. He finds it extremely productive. He can give instructions on the go, even while physically walking to a meeting room. Prior to the ipad pro, we literally took printouts and handed it…

>Many older senior lawyers who learned the practice before word processors Considering how long ago that is, they must be pretty old. I mean, I'm 58 and I can just barely remember that time.

They are not young :). I live outside of US so technology might have come a bit later to us. And law is an industry that does not like change that much.

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I Work IT in a institution with 290 employees and have had 5 switch to iPad Pro's to "replace" their laptop. I am now 5 for 5 with all asking for their laptop back. iPadOS is nothing more than iPhoneOS renamed and the device is still too heavily crippled for desktop/laptop replacement. In my mini test case scenario I never said a word..simply the employee asked for iPad Pro.. I just handed it to them... waited... the…

On the contrary, I have owned MacBook Pros from the first to the last 17", then again every model since the 16". I also have iPad Pro with magic keyboard and touch pad. I don't travel with the MacBook any more, as I can do anything from the iPad. But it's not just me. I've also been CTO at mega bank and hedge funds where we've rolled these out along side laptops. I've found that after initial objections, folks tend t…

Anything in the gSuite is terrible on iPadOS. Excel is also fairly crippled. I can’t see how it’s usable at all.

Even just for emailing, GMail at least is a terrible application on iPad. For examples, cannot format anything, or view one email while writing another (that isn’t a reply).

I primarily use mine for

* Note taking

* Browsing/showing PDFs in a construction engineering setting. Nothing is faster or as flexible.

* Sketching for construction drawings

But the lack of good tabular worksheet and emails beyond quick replies pushes me back to my laptop all the time.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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> a) Apple restricts iPad OS so much, that it's difficult to make good use of that fantastic hardware. It feels weird that people ask questions like "what can I actually use that power for?" Really, I can't think of a ton of uses for desktop/laptop hardware this powerful. And I don't do any of them, gaming aside (I have a mediocre Windows PC for that, and even that is often using only a fraction of its power for gami…

> Really, I can't think of a ton of uses for desktop/laptop hardware this powerful. Oh, there are plenty — for one, I would really like to have a good CAD/CAM application. Parametric, history-based, like Fusion 360 or SolidWorks. There is Shapr3D which is absolutely amazing and shows what the hardware is capable of (take a look at the demo videos), but nothing I can use for actual work. These kinds of apps need both…

Yeah, not a ton, I didn't write none. 3D modeling, cad, running scientific models. Gaming. Hi-res video editing workflows. Machine learning. I guess "crypto" junk. And some of that (machine learning, crypto, probably most compute-intensive scientific models) aren't something you probably want to do on a tablet or laptop except in a pinch, anyway, because a purpose-built server's much better-suited to it and you probably don't need continuous and detailed visual feedback.

But I don't think it's weird that people struggle to come up with ways to really use super-powerful hardware, because most folks don't do (and don't want to do) much of the above except maybe gaming, and most people who do game don't do it—or at least not in a way that's taxing on the hardware—on all the kinds of devices they own.

The cool stuff lots and lots of people actually use tends to end up in dedicated hardware or paths, like video codecs and image processing and face recognition and all that, not mainly processed by the general CPU or graphics power of their platforms.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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I Work IT in a institution with 290 employees and have had 5 switch to iPad Pro's to "replace" their laptop. I am now 5 for 5 with all asking for their laptop back. iPadOS is nothing more than iPhoneOS renamed and the device is still too heavily crippled for desktop/laptop replacement. In my mini test case scenario I never said a word..simply the employee asked for iPad Pro.. I just handed it to them... waited... the…

> In my mini test case scenario I never said a word..simply the employee asked for iPad Pro.. I just handed it to them... waited... then about 2 weeks later they asked for laptop back.

If you work in IT with hundreds of staff members, why would you let them pick their own devices with zero guidance? This seems like a recipe for disaster no matter which product is picked. Do you let them do this with laptops / printers / operating systems / etc.?

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It's nice they keep working on making iPadOS more useable. But it seems like a waste of time to me. Just let iPads run MacOS already. (or put the nice touch screen on MacBooks, same difference) If it's too awkward to use macOS without a keyboard and pointing device then, sure, maybe MacOS mode isn't the default.

Try using Sidecar for any substantial amount of time and you’ll realise just how awkward macOS is without a keyboard and pointing device.

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Producing may be faster on desktop for now because they've had a large head start on optimizing the interfaces for mouse and keyboard, but those affordances are still a subset of what you can do with a touch screen. Touch screens won't replace dedicated controllers with physical knobs, but digital knobs are surprisingly usable.

> but those affordances are still a subset of what you can do with a touch screen. I disagree. A gesture-based workflow won't replace Pro Tools' keyboard shortcuts, unfortunately.

Touch is far better for performance though. Watching Suzanne Ciani seamlessly integrate her Buchla modular rig with the ipad makes me appreciate just how good the ipad is. A regular computer would be far more cumbersome to use with hardware synths in the moment.
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