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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

There is a new law that allows for stricter Covid regulations between October and April, this can make planning large events a gamble.

Any link?

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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post #32
post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

No, it is not normal. CCC is being proactive in that they believe that there is a chance of having the same problems as in the last congress, and they want to avoid this, because volunteers are more hesitant to get involved in a risky situation compared to employees.

What same problems, wasn't the last congress fully remote?

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Summer is not a good time for a Congress, for large event venues like congress centers tend to be fully booked by then. Which leaves camps - but not everyone loves the idea of camping, and then you got the weather gods to sacrifice to (I vividly remember the thunderstorm evacuation...). Given that virtually every other country in the world seems to have accepted that Covid will be here to stay, Germans will eventuall…

> large event venues like congress centers tend to be fully booked by then Isn't that offset by university summer holidays, providing lots of idle lecture halls and student accommodation?

You would be surprised how hard it is to convince a university to offer up buildings for something that large that will come with creative use of the space. There's a reason these kind of events, and at that size, are hosted at specialised venues or trade fair halls.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Even a poorly fitted one is going to do a lot more than wearing nothing.

I believe there was a study ranking masks' protective value for the wearer as: tight-fitting FFP2/N95 > surgical mask > FFP2/N95 with bad fit (since they are so dense that you're effectively breathing unfiltered air through the gaps unless there is a tight-ish seal)

Bad fit can be anything between "barely prevents direct lines of sight up the nostrils" and "almost but not quite perfection". I'd give very little on the part of the result that says "surgical can be better than badly fit FFP2/N95"

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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post #83

Maybe another country can take over the event :-) ?

You missed the point completely.

The reason for them not doing the even is not the country or the regulations but the fact that Covid is a thing and they have a healthy common sense.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

Germany tends to be more risk averse than the UK with regards covid.

While in the UK for political reasons covid is regarded as "over", in many other countries... Restrictions are highly likely to come back over the winter if the health systems come under pressure.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CCC event is a _very_ large (about 20k people, I think?), crowded, indoor event during Peak Hospital Strain season, so it's fairly close to a worst case.

Even in normal times, there was always tongue-in-cheek the concept of the "Kongressseuche" (congress plague), because many people got (mildly) ill with a cold or the flu. :)

The 2019 Congress plague was highly likely to have been covid in some cases, a number of attendees were quite ill after the event with respiratory symptoms. Given that covid had been circulating in Europe since at least November 2019, its not implausible.

Other years there were colds... The usual... But the 2019 edition was real nasty.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

No, not at all. But the entirety of CCC isn't "normal", C3 isn't just some command line Oktoberfest. CCC identifies a lot with greater-good responsibility and that's not really compatible with the position of "I'll pretend the pandemic does not exist unless authorities force my hand" that a commercial event organizer would take.

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