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Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Speculatively, even things as simple as boys being more likely to turn an assignment in late could contribute to results like this. How conceivable is it that this is just the effect of gender-aligned behavior differences?

> boys being more likely to turn an assignment in late Sure, but that runs against the popular narrative of "no biological differences". If we accept that boys are more likely to "x", we have to also accept that _girls_ are more likely (or less likely to) "y", which opens all sorts of pandora's boxes. They're looking for an explanation that discounts biology.

Who said there was a biological cause to turning in papers late? Seems much more a learned difference to me.

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We just had a baby boy and I'm not going to lie, stuff like this has me worried. We were already considering home schooling (we split time between multiple countries and that's not conducive to a normal school schedule) but this is also a good argument for it. I'd hate for biases in institutional schooling to lead him to hate school and potentially lead to poor life outcomes. And now that I think about it, there was…

I suggest reading the book Boys Adrift (https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Adrift-Epidemic-Unmotivated-Unde...). It speaks to exactly this topic.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

Some of my cousins were home schooled and half of them are now not on speaking terms with their parents.

Many of the kids in my college program who were home schooled were also kind of weird and sometimes socially crippled.

A lot of home schooled kids are clearly from incredibly conservative religious fundamentalist families, so that's a stereotype you may have to deal with and quite potentially the type of people you place your children around for extra-curricular socialization activities or in hybrid home schooling environments.

I worked with a lot of MIT graduates, and there was a definite trend of private education amongst them.

Of course that's from outside looking in, probably better to interview those who have been home schooled to get their perspectives.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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> Researchers have the answer According to the article they don't "have the answer" at all - they have a couple of theories: > The study's authors say it's possible that, in reading, teachers unconsciously reward students exhibiting traditionally female behaviour, such as quietness and neatness, which make teaching easier for the teachers. Another theory is that inflated grades in mathematics are a way of trying to e…

See "conclusions" in the paper linked at the bottom. One of the theories is that teachers are over-compensating for gender bias, another is that it's just noise and marks given mid-year represent teacher's attempts at psychological manipulation more than actual grading outcomes.

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Anecdotally I had a misandrist/sexist teacher in fourth grade. It was the first grade where they split our maths class. I didn't fail the class, but that teacher rode me extremely hard. She did do other abusive things, like encouraging students to bully each other, and she'd throw an eraser and hit me with a ruler on two separate occasions because she believed I wasn't awake enough. She recommended at the end of the…

Similar experience at school in Russia, also with maths. No sexism, just an extreme bully and encouraged bullying. Forever put me off maths.

I sincerely think she completely sucked at her job but sociopath-politicked her way to teaching the classes with the kids that were labeled the brightest (i.e. mostly from good families, upper middle class, almost no ethnic minorities, etc.), they tend to succeed and go to good universities for some unfathomable reason (sarcasm) and she could take the credit.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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I think its implicit bias mixed with priming. Teachers - female teachers especially - are primed to view boys as “behavior” over education; girls its the opposite. Because teachers are primed to view boys as more of a behavioral concern, they subconsciously apply that label every time, through every activity.

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You're free to want what you want, it doesn't make it an objective positive thing > corrupt In what way ?

let me google taht for you? https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teac... https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/feqtuo/te... Parents send their kids to school to get an education, not be pushed propaganda.

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Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want my kids infused with my "deep biases," and not the deep biases of a corrupt public school system, thank you. Homeschooling is a feature, not a bug.

You're free to want what you want, it doesn't make it an objective positive thing > corrupt In what way ?

The US spends more per student than every other OECD nation save Luxembourg[0], but it's students are not anywhere near the top of the list when it comes to academic achievement[1][2]. Where did the money go if not corruption?

[0]https://data.oecd.org/eduresource/education-spending.htm

[1]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-student...

[2]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-c...

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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I will give you one statistic to get your head going.

I studied theoretical math (long time ago, not in the US). At the university I attended, there were 17 applicants for each admission. My class was 125 people of which about 30 were men and almost a hundred were women.

During first 3 semesters, the class went from 125 to 70 at the end of the first semester, 35 at the end of the second and 20 at the end of third. Out of those 20, 15 graduated in the end, of which 11 were men and only 4 were women.

Now, the rest is subjective view of what happened.

I noticed that most of women that were admitted had really good grades all over (you had to have max points to be even considered) but were not super interested in math. My feeling was that most of girls either did not have a plan at all or their plan was they will be teaching math.

When girls organised, this was either for extracurricular reasons or if it was about math at all, it was to share notes and work together to solve problems that were required by the prof.

And finally when they were learning the material my subjective feeling at the time was that they depended more on rote memorisation. And as everybody knows, theoretical math is worst place possible to be relying on your memory alone.

Most guys on the other hand almost immediately organised into one group of people who actually liked math for math's sake. This might be potentially explained by the fact there was relatively few of us but I don't think this was the only reason.

Now, I cannot speak to how good some of those women were at math and whether they were treated fairly. I was young and I did not pay much attention to it at the time.

But it is interesting to me how much girls were overrepresented in the initial population even if they did not seem to have a strong drive for mathematics -- purely because they had stellar grades and they just could choose any place they could go to.

It is also a bit tragic they got penalised for this choice. I blame the education system which treated math as rote memorisation problem up to this point and never explained to us that this is not mathematics.

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