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Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by luckylion »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #11
stuckinhell wrote: post #5

Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

I wish we could. We have the possibility, but i have no idea where to start teaching school material. And of course I'm terrified of the social aspect.

Aren't there essentially School-Material-As-A-Service companies that provide all the stuff to you? I cannot imagine that every homeschooling parent starts building their own study plans and comes up with their own teaching concepts etc.

Regarding the social aspect, do you mean your children not getting enough social interaction with other children of the same age, or how home schooling is viewed socially?

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by gragundier »

PaulHoule wrote: post #4
skywhopper wrote: post #2

This study seems to ignore the most obvious differences between standardized tests and typical classroom grades. Standardized tests tend to capture a single type of work (getting the right answer, regardless of process) in a single moment (test day) with an objective evaluation (multiple choice). Whereas classroom grades take into account various sorts of work, including process work, over time, and inevitably take i…

One argument for standardized tests is that the classroom allows people with high social capital but low academic ability many ways to bullshit their way to higher grades. Taking practice tests and familiarization with standardized tests helps, but a person who can't test their way out of a paper bag can do very little to improve their standardized test scores other than hire a ringer to take the test for them.

I think a mixture is probably the best, because, cynically, I bet people with high social capital could engineer a way to improve their standardized grades as well. By requiring them to cover more bases, it drives their costs up. A ringer is an obvious solution, but there is a lot of room to be "creative." The best way for admissions to pick well is to always remain liquid on metrics. Keep the pool wide; diversify your metrics portfolio.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by macinjosh »

boole1854 wrote: post #27
wccrawford wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone who got their first B in band because that teacher didn't think that anyone should get all As. Nevermind how hard she worked, nobody was allowed to get all As if that teacher could help it. She cried, and I am still pissed about it to this day. What an awful person.

What a bizarre teaching philosophy.

I'd categorize more as a power trip than a teach philosophy, but I guess that is a kinder way of stating it :)

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by Ligma123 »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #11
stuckinhell wrote: post #5

Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

I wish we could. We have the possibility, but i have no idea where to start teaching school material. And of course I'm terrified of the social aspect.

You can enroll your children in any extracurricular activity, such as sports and arts and it will cover the social aspect.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by ohCh6zos »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #11
stuckinhell wrote: post #5

Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

I wish we could. We have the possibility, but i have no idea where to start teaching school material. And of course I'm terrified of the social aspect.

Everyone says this, but do actual studies that show homeschooled children have worse outcomes socially exist?

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by commandlinefan »

Glyptodon wrote: post #33

Speculatively, even things as simple as boys being more likely to turn an assignment in late could contribute to results like this. How conceivable is it that this is just the effect of gender-aligned behavior differences?

> boys being more likely to turn an assignment in late

Sure, but that runs against the popular narrative of "no biological differences". If we accept that boys are more likely to "x", we have to also accept that _girls_ are more likely (or less likely to) "y", which opens all sorts of pandora's boxes. They're looking for an explanation that discounts biology.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by micromacrofoot »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #36
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we could. We have the possibility, but i have no idea where to start teaching school material. And of course I'm terrified of the social aspect.

Everyone says this, but do actual studies that show homeschooled children have worse outcomes socially exist?

Anecdotal evidence only goes so far, but I knew 3 or 4 homeschool kids when I was growing up, and I feel like there's an answer in the fact that we never learned their names and always called them "one of those homeschool kids"

That said, on the other hand multiple people I knew from high school have since overdosed. So there's a spectrum no matter what you do.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Post by Mikeb85 »

belorn wrote: post #24
drivebycomment wrote: post #13

The original title is misleading, as the paper doesn't answer "why". > The researchers then looked whether factors, such as the type of school and the size and gender make-up of classes, were driving the gender grade gap. > They also investigated whether characteristics of teachers themselves, such as how senior or experienced they were and whether they were male or female, helped explain girls' more generous grades.…

Indeed. They are answering the question "Do teachers give girls higher marks than boys" , and the answer is Yes, girls do get better grades than boys for the same work. We do not get a final answer to why teachers are giving girls higher marks than boys.

The majority of teachers are female and while I'm not going to claim it's misandry per se, it's likely that they identify more with the girls and thus are biased.
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