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No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by JoachimS »

pantalaimon wrote: post #8
F30 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

37C3 is its 37th edition, which is now going to take place in a later year.

Do you think the COVID situation will be any different in 2023?

The CCC organizers probably hope that it will be.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by nikeee »

rsynnott wrote: post #39
mnd999 wrote: post #20

Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

The CCC event is a _very_ large (about 20k people, I think?), crowded, indoor event during Peak Hospital Strain season, so it's fairly close to a worst case.

As far as I know, this year would have been at Hamburg again where the number of participants is capped to ~12k. So it would have been slightly smaller than in Leipzig.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by dividedbyzero »

I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be worse, so their event would almost certainly be severely downsized or altogether disallowed by the authorities. Renewed Covid restrictions are already being debated in German politics with the general expectation being that some restrictions like masks and less or no large events will be imposed. Can't do an event at their scale in such an environment, not to speak of pricing issues due to energy etc. that they didn't even go into, but that will almost certainly have played a role as well. All of this really, really sucks.

It's a bit sad that they (apparently?) won't be doing a remote replacement, though. I realize you can't do a proper Congress remotely, but having some of the nice things (like the talks) sure beats having none. Not sure how exactly those decentralized events will shape out, but their announcement reads like they're focusing on the in-person elements, so I have to assume they'll be like hackerspace open-door events that cater to the locals.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by fs111 »

DocTomoe wrote: post #10
formerly_proven wrote: post #4

I feel like it may have been a better idea to move the congress to some time in the summer, because public health restrictions in the winter don't seem to go away. We've had vaccines since early 2021, and the 2021 winter still had restrictions, now we're two years down the road and looking at another wave and another restricted winter. I don't see how it's going to be substantially different for the 2023 winter unles…

Summer is not a good time for a Congress, for large event venues like congress centers tend to be fully booked by then. Which leaves camps - but not everyone loves the idea of camping, and then you got the weather gods to sacrifice to (I vividly remember the thunderstorm evacuation...). Given that virtually every other country in the world seems to have accepted that Covid will be here to stay, Germans will eventuall…

Is it though? Company events and fairs are typically in Spring and Fall, when people are back from vacation.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Post by pantalaimon »

nikeee wrote: post #52
rsynnott wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CCC event is a _very_ large (about 20k people, I think?), crowded, indoor event during Peak Hospital Strain season, so it's fairly close to a worst case.

As far as I know, this year would have been at Hamburg again where the number of participants is capped to ~12k. So it would have been slightly smaller than in Leipzig.

Which is a pity, it will be notoriously hard to get tickets.

My dream would be ICC Berlin with it's spectacular architecture, it's also huge. The only drawback is that it's currently standing empty with no plans for it's future.

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