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No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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> AZ vaccine until it was finally pulled off the market in Germany. What? It’s still getting used.

After the policy change when Germany finally got their hands on BNT(after the US bought up all the stock), doctors actively dissuaded people with heart or other conditions from getting AZ shots.

EDIT: yes, there was talk about banning it after months of denial. And its my mistake for conflating other EU countries that care about their citizens with Germany, which clearly doesn't.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

No, it is not normal. CCC is being proactive in that they believe that there is a chance of having the same problems as in the last congress, and they want to avoid this, because volunteers are more hesitant to get involved in a risky situation compared to employees.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

I was at a conference with around 1000 attendees in Germany this summer. The organizers put out a lot of recommendations for visitors regarding Covid (wear masks, be vaccinated, test yourself before and after the event, etc.), but none could be enforced on site since there was no legal basis for it. The result was that precautions were largely ignored by everyone at the event. The aftermath was that the entira orga t…

> (wear masks, be vaccinated, test yourself before and after the event, etc.)

               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The result was that precautions were largely ignored by everyone at the event.

You don't know if the attendees were vaccinated. You don't know if/how they tested. When I got vaccinated, and also when there wasn't a wave, I got more lax. It requires focus and attention span to follow the precautions. Except for vaccination. That's a shot, perhaps some side effects, and you're good to go for a while. Masks have more adverse side effects. And I say that as someone who has a needle phobia, got vaccinated multiple times, but also who wears glasses and prefers the fresh air over the mask (nausea).

I've also done self-tests which, in start turned out nothing, and then once it onset (I already felt ill) suddenly bingo.

> My personal take from this was a) FFP2 masks work

> I strictly wore one indoors and didn't get sick

N=1

Masks primary role is to ensure you don't spread COVID, not that you don't contract it.

The more plausible explanations that you don't got COVID is that you were a) lucky b) vaccinated c) used more precautions like social distancing / didn't frolic around the crazy 'social' people who YOLO.

With masks it requires cooperation in order for it to work. It doesn't work like a condom: put one on, be protected. Everyone puts one on (a good one, as you asserted, though even a mediocre one is 'Good Enough') and then the chance it gets spread is minimal.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AZ vaccine until it was finally pulled off the market in Germany. What? It’s still getting used.

After the policy change when Germany finally got their hands on BNT(after the US bought up all the stock), doctors actively dissuaded people with heart or other conditions from getting AZ shots. EDIT: yes, there was talk about banning it after months of denial. And its my mistake for conflating other EU countries that care about their citizens with Germany, which clearly doesn't.

Which is an extremely different statement from

> until it was finally pulled off the market in Germany.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Congress was not cancelled due to any government rule.

>it is foreseeable that strict hygiene requirements will be necessary and in all likelihood mandatory – if an event of the size of the Congress can be approved at all. What might be possible would not be a Congress Sounds like regulations were factored in to me?

The question is not one of whether the government would approve it (they will, they approved Oktoberfest after all), but one of whether the CERT team of the CCC would approve it (and they wouldn't)

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

The CCC event is a _very_ large (about 20k people, I think?), crowded, indoor event during Peak Hospital Strain season, so it's fairly close to a worst case.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at a conference with around 1000 attendees in Germany this summer. The organizers put out a lot of recommendations for visitors regarding Covid (wear masks, be vaccinated, test yourself before and after the event, etc.), but none could be enforced on site since there was no legal basis for it. The result was that precautions were largely ignored by everyone at the event. The aftermath was that the entira orga t…

> (wear masks, be vaccinated, test yourself before and after the event, etc.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > The result was that precautions were largely ignored by everyone at the event. You don't know if the attendees were vaccinated. You don't know if/how they tested. When I got vaccinated, and also when there wasn't a wave, I got more lax. It requires focus and attention span to follow the precautions. Except for vaccination. T…

FFP2 / N95 masks surely massively reduce the personal risk of infection if they are fitted properly and not taken of.
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