My poor old eyes. Read this as ‘Our mom has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs’
Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
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Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#32> We found that the moon was around 60,000 kilometers closer to the Earth then [2.46 billion years ago] (that distance is about 1.5 times the circumference of Earth). This would make the length of a day much shorter than it is now, at roughly 17 hours rather than the current 24 hours. I wish they explained why the moon being that much closer would have such a dramatic effect on the day length. Can someone explain thi…
I was recently looking at some data about day lengths, and basically it all boils down to the fact that the earth doesn't orbit the sun in a perfect circle, which causes slight accelerations and decelerations; along with its wobble. That wobble as I understand is due to the effect of tidal forces due to the moons pull on our ocean. Tropical/Solar days = 24 hours But Sidereal = 23 h 56 min 4.0905 seconds Why the diffe…
After 23 hours 56 minutes the earth has made a full rotation relative to the stars. But it has to turn for a further 4 minutes to get the sun to be above the same place on the earth.
The difference between the day lengths is one day divided the number of days in a year, i.e. approximately 24 hours / 365.
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#33A curious effect of this is that total solar eclipses past and future look different from total solar eclipses today. We live in a time when both the Sun and the Moon are roughly the same size (~32 arcminutes) when viewed from Earth. This coincidence results in the image we associate with total solar eclipses where the Sun’s corona is visible as a ring around the Moon.
But at the time also the Earth's average distance from the Sun will grow, wouldn't it?
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#34A curious effect of this is that total solar eclipses past and future look different from total solar eclipses today. We live in a time when both the Sun and the Moon are roughly the same size (~32 arcminutes) when viewed from Earth. This coincidence results in the image we associate with total solar eclipses where the Sun’s corona is visible as a ring around the Moon.
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Roughly the same size is understating it severely. They are uncannily similar in apparent size.
The surface of the Earth is the only place we know of where a natural satellite appears exactly the same size as the primary / only star.
Perhaps it's the only place we know of on a planet's rocky surface. But most of our solar system's planets with moons don't have rocky surfaces, and we can't detect moons in other systems, so you really mean it's not true from the surface of Mars, Pluto or Charon.
Additionally, the moon varies in apparent diameter by about 13% from apogee to perigee, and the sun by about 3%. So while it might appear "exactly" the same size at some point in its orbit, mostly it's just within 5%.
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#36Which I guess is also true.
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#37There are many religions that use the lunar cycles as basis for their calculations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The surface of the Earth is the only place we know of where a natural satellite appears exactly the same size as the primary / only star.
This can't be true: you can choose a point behind any sufficiently round satellite where it appears the same size as the star. Perhaps it's the only place we know of on a planet's rocky surface. But most of our solar system's planets with moons don't have rocky surfaces, and we can't detect moons in other systems, so you really mean it's not true from the surface of Mars, Pluto or Charon. Additionally, the moon varie…
Re: Our moon has been slowly drifting away from Earth over the past 2.5B yrs
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. The earth is spinning faster than the the moon is going around the earth (earth rotates in one day, the moon goes around in about a month). When the tides transfer energy and momentum to the moon from the earth's spin, it slows down the earth's spin and gives the moon more energy. This moves the moon to a higher orbit, so it moves a bit farther away from us. The source of energy for the whole process is the ear…
If the moon's orbit is increasing in radius, doesn't that mean its orbital velocity is decreasing? Which way is energy being transferred? This stuff confuses me.
Think of the moon being in free fall, without any external forces acting on it. It would be moving at a constant velocity in a straight line, except the space and time it is in is curved due to gravity. Because of that curved spacetime, the moon appears to accelerate relative to the Earth. It's not actually accelerating, though; it is moving in a straight line at a constant velocity, the straight line just happens to be curved completely around the Earth.
The tidal forces are literal forces, and forces cause acceleration. So, the moon isn't quite moving at constant velocity. The change in velocity means the moon isn't quite travelling in a straight line through spacetime. The orbit changes, and in this case gets higher and slower relative to the Earth.
Another way to think about it. If you're in a space ship at a point X1 in an orbit, you can steer the nose of the ship in the direction you're moving relative to the Earth, and fire your rocket engine. You're now going faster. The opposite end of your orbit, point Y1, will now be higher in altitude than it would have otherwise been. Your relative speed at Y1 will indeed be slower than where you would have been had you not fired your engine, but when you circle back to X1 again your speed will still be higher. When you get to Y1 again, you could fire your engine a second time and increase your speed even more. You'll no longer end up back at X1, but a new point X2 at a higher altitude than X1 was. Your relative velocity at X2 will be lower than it was at X1.
In space, "speed" isn't really velocity, but acceleration. Big rocket engines make you go fast! In The Martian, the main character makes a comment to that effect when he talks about NASA convincing him to strap himself into a hodge podge death rocket, by claiming he'll be the "fastest" astronaut in history.
In a future where humans practically travel to a distant star, a "fast enough" space ship would be one that can maintain constant non-trivial acceleration for many decades. You would accelerate to the halfway point, then turn around and decelerate the rest of the way. Assuming you got fast enough relative to the destination, weird relativistic effects would become obviously apparent and the travellers would perceive space and time compressing.