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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by foepys »

spockz wrote: post #21
djha-skin wrote: post #3

Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…

Why is VSCode eating their lunch? IntelliJ’s refactoring is miles ahead. As well as support for the jvm languages. Intellisafe and jump to declaration are also better imho. The only thing that I can think of is that vscode is free and “good enough”. The integration for JavaScript and golang seems to be more “natural” in VSCode, somehow. If you are using the free IntelliJ tools you get a crappy js editor when using th…

WebStorm already has quite the hard stand against VS Code. VS Code gets all the plugins for popular frameworks by their respective authors and is free.

Rider is also stuck between a free VS Community version and VS Code which some people successfully use with the C# plugin (although I wouldn't use the latter for large code bases).

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by matsemann »

I love how all the panels/windows in Jetbrains are just text. Like "run", "maven", "database", "terminal". The new icons take up more than twice the space (thickness vs the vertical text), and conveys nothing at all about what they do.

Also one of the reasons I'm not that thrilled about Fleet. I get it's easy to just in general be negative to change. But these are professional tools. I've used it for over a decade. I don't need it to be dumbed down.

Right now I'm comfortable and never enjoyed VSCode and others. But if I'm forced this change, what's stopping me then from trying a completely different IDE?

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

I use IntelliJ to write mostly Perl. Since trying the 2020 and 2021 series of IntelliJ, I sat down for an hour and tried every major release since I started using it, and I settled on the one I like the most. I'm quite happy with it, and I'm not planning to upgrade again. Thank you, JetBrains, for supporting your older versions.

To OP, I recommend downloading the version you like and sticking with it. You'll be good for years. Use this time to occasionally research alternatives.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by happymellon »

TylerE wrote: post #25
keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

Huh? If you buy the full IntelliJ you get all the modules. It’s no different than running CLion.

That and you can use the different apps to sandbox the plugins so you aren't loading unused ones for each project!

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by MrRiddle »

keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by xwowsersx »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #28
xwowsersx wrote: post #6

If you use keyboard shortcuts for everything , as I do, the rest of the UI outside of the editor really doesn't matter a whole lot. I won't be searching for buttons based on color memory or anything like that.

While I agree with this point, I also like my interfaces small. Because, since I don't click around on them, I don't like them taking up space. I also use a mouse on my PC, so I'm fairly precise in case I want to use the icons. There's no need to blow them up, so my fat fingers wouldn't misclick on a tablet. I like to code with two windows side by side, usually IDE + browser for docs, sometimes on a small screen. I'd…

I like them small too which is why I hide basically everything except for the editor itself :)

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by imron »

spockz wrote: post #21
djha-skin wrote: post #3

Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…

Why is VSCode eating their lunch? IntelliJ’s refactoring is miles ahead. As well as support for the jvm languages. Intellisafe and jump to declaration are also better imho. The only thing that I can think of is that vscode is free and “good enough”. The integration for JavaScript and golang seems to be more “natural” in VSCode, somehow. If you are using the free IntelliJ tools you get a crappy js editor when using th…

> Why is VSCode eating their lunch?

Remote development extension that makes development from remote machines, VMs, docker containers seem like it's your local machine.

I switched from CLion to VSCode for this, even though CLion is generally a nicer IDE for C++. VSCode is also better for memory usage.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by vladvasiliu »

TylerE wrote: post #25
keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

Huh? If you buy the full IntelliJ you get all the modules. It’s no different than running CLion.

Nope, you don't get everything. I don't use CLion, so I don't know what all the differences are, but for the Rust plugin, CLion gets more functionality than IntelliJ:

https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust#compatible-id...

I understand the same goes for yet a third branch, which is .Net, and possibly a fourth, which is AppCode. But I don't have any contact with those ecosystems, so don't really know.

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