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Can someone clarify if copyright violation is actually considered "illegal"? As far as I know it's a civil matter and not something a state or federal government would attempt to prosecute.
Open source has trained me and countless others. We have learned from it. Why shouldn’t machines learn from it too? Is co-pilot copy-pasting slabs of code verbatim? I see Copilot as a net positive. Open source is for sharing and learning. Copilot is sharing and learning on steroids.
The license and attribution are stripped from regurgitated copied code snippets. Verbatim with no context, no attribution, no citation, no reference to the project it’s part of…
If the people don’t known which project the code was taken from, how can they one day contribute to that codebase?
Copilot is an interloper who doesn’t even tell you which project the code snippet was ripped off from!!
Oh man. I want to continue using co-pilot. It has improved my productivity and made me excited to do things that I previously felt like a chore. Also, programmers please do not hinder on other programmers work. If you do, someone higher up in the ladder with eat your cake at every opportunity.
Hey, I despise bait and switch from large corps. But I also find it unsustainable this idea that societies and legal resources are wasted fighting for IPs. The code is out there. Millions of people are being trained and writing code based of the learnings of open data. Designers have "mood boards". Developers have open source. Right now I don't have sympathy for MS, but in a few years any you developer could just do…
This is copyright. I put it out there with a government guaranty that I get to retain ownership out of it. Society at large benefits because more people put their stuff out their. You want to break that deal and you will end up with less sharing. Why are you for information silos? I am for open ideas and sharing. You are for stealing and breaking the moral agreement because distributing my code in the form of an AI a…
It seems like there's no good license that places absolutely no restrictions or requirements on people using your code (such as attribution and respecting patent rights) worldwide. I want my code to be used the way people treated text in the old days. There's texts that have been re-written, added to and edited by thousands of people over the centuries and yet they don't come with thousands of pages of attribution no…
how is copilot doing something fundamentally different?
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> It would be because it's illegal and violates the licenses, desires, and intentions of the thousands of workers who wrote the code in its corpus. I wonder how many people on HN would be on the side of the creators if we were talking about content created by Walt Disney and whether pirating was ethical?
Wait, I'm not sure what you are trying to say? Can you clarify?
I'd be rather saddened if Copilot was shut down or neutered because of a few vocal few protesting against it. It's been a massive productivity improvement to our senior devs, and I got so used to it that it's an annoyance when Copilot doesn't respond.
Copilot wouldn't be shut down or neutered because "a few vocal people" protested against it. It would be because it's illegal and violates the licenses, desires, and intentions of the thousands of workers who wrote the code in its corpus. You act like Microsoft is trying to do a public service and people are angry about it. The reality is that they're taking billions of hours of work and using it to build a product t…
Yeah, the vocal few.
Do you think I give a rats ass that Copilot is duplicating my OS code?
I have to imagine most people are completely ambivalent. Of course I have no proof, I just can’t imagine anything else.
The lines probably fall somewhere along the MIT vs GPL camps.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the prospect of someone autocompleting and getting a snippet that came from me, they found it useful, and are going to incorporate it is great. It means my thoughts and logic are shaping culture in a mimetic feedback loop.
That's not the problem. If you want to license your work in a way that allows that, you are free to do so. The issue is that Microsoft did that with code that was published under licenses that either did not grant that right, or which explicitly forbade them from doing so.
It's most likely the case that in 1, 3, 5 years, Copilot won't be spitting out code blocks verbatim. It will generate rightsize code, trained on lots of publicly available code, and start reducing the surface area required to code/develop.
Stable Diffusion doesn't get in trouble right now because the artwork looks like permutations of different works; text is easy to copyright, style is more challenging, but artists are facing up against the same reality. There's no rolling this back; ML models are going to remove a ton of cruft from creative/labor based endeavors, and people are going to need to evolve to stay relevant.