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Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#131
post #52

I'd be rather saddened if Copilot was shut down or neutered because of a few vocal few protesting against it. It's been a massive productivity improvement to our senior devs, and I got so used to it that it's an annoyance when Copilot doesn't respond.

It's particularly useful to the polyglots dealing with multiple codebase, with various languages, to context-switch fast.

Saves a lot of "hey how do I do this simple thing again?" memory loss issues.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#132
post #13

> Microsoft char­ac­ter­izes the out­put of Copi­lot as a series of code "sug­ges­tions". Microsoft "does not claim any rights" in these sug­ges­tions. But nei­ther does Microsoft make any guar­an­tees about the cor­rect­ness, secu­rity, or exten­u­at­ing intel­lec­tual-prop­erty entan­gle­ments of the code so pro­duced. Once you accept a Copi­lot sug­ges­tion, all that becomes your prob­lem: > "You are respon­si­ble…

Seems like we need MITpilot.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#133
Never forget this is how people who dare to reverse engineer Windows are treated: https://www.theregister.com/2019/07/03/reactos_windows_resea... https://marc.info/?l=ros-dev&m=118775346131654&w=2

I don't use Github, but fuckers upload my code there anyway.

Copyright is evil, but only large corporations having copyright, even more than they already do, is even worse.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#134
post #13

> Microsoft char­ac­ter­izes the out­put of Copi­lot as a series of code "sug­ges­tions". Microsoft "does not claim any rights" in these sug­ges­tions. But nei­ther does Microsoft make any guar­an­tees about the cor­rect­ness, secu­rity, or exten­u­at­ing intel­lec­tual-prop­erty entan­gle­ments of the code so pro­duced. Once you accept a Copi­lot sug­ges­tion, all that becomes your prob­lem: > "You are respon­si­ble…

> rig­or­ous test­ing, intel­lec­tual prop­erty scan­ning, and track­ing for secu­rity vul­ner­a­bil­i­ties

Seems like best practice recommendation that everyone should apply when downloading a torrent.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#135
post #120
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copilot wouldn't be shut down or neutered because "a few vocal people" protested against it. It would be because it's illegal and violates the licenses, desires, and intentions of the thousands of workers who wrote the code in its corpus. You act like Microsoft is trying to do a public service and people are angry about it. The reality is that they're taking billions of hours of work and using it to build a product t…

> If they re-released Copilot as FOSS, a lot of the valid criticisms would evaporate. That changes nothing at all. A FOSS license is, in a legal sense, no different then a proprietary one. If it’s illegal it’s illegal regardless of whether it’s FOSS.

I mean, legally, yes, but the point at issue was public outcry, which has almost nothing to do with laws.

If Copilot was FOSS there'd probably be a few absolutists complaining, but they'd be mostly ignored.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#136

Copyright only covers the expressive parts and not the utilitarian parts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction-Filtration-Compari... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea–expression_distinction https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/5004 Most of your code is probably not subject to copyright in the first place, regardless of license.

Doesn't Copilot reproduce the exact expression given the right prompt, though?

“Expression” in the creative sense, as opposed to utilitarian in a functional sense.

Copyright is meant to protect “useless” things like poetry and music.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#137

My view is the copilot is not stealing open source code. It is learning from it just as a human reader would. People's disguste is based on the assimilation of what they thought was a human trait being machine derived from their work. The copilot service backed by an army of actual humans wouldn’t be a story at all. Nor would anyone be angry, if an individual offered coding skills as a service, and had gone through t…

The Luddite reaction to copilot is very hilarious to me. It seem to be a great way to identify low-talent coders, because who else would possibly feel so threatened by an AI?… Watching HN commenters suddenly become ardent defenders of copyright is quite the sight.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#138
Good bye and good riddance. Even just the idea that GitHub should be allowed to train their proprietary AI on other people's work is insane. Much less distribute that AI in a paid package which lets you spit out other people's code verbatim. Anyone who supports open-source and the (ab)use of copyright law to create free works should be vehemently opposed to Copilot.

Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#139
post #78
post #52

I'd be rather saddened if Copilot was shut down or neutered because of a few vocal few protesting against it. It's been a massive productivity improvement to our senior devs, and I got so used to it that it's an annoyance when Copilot doesn't respond.

Copilot wouldn't be shut down or neutered because "a few vocal people" protested against it. It would be because it's illegal and violates the licenses, desires, and intentions of the thousands of workers who wrote the code in its corpus. You act like Microsoft is trying to do a public service and people are angry about it. The reality is that they're taking billions of hours of work and using it to build a product t…

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Re: GitHub Copi­lot inves­ti­ga­tion

#140
post #38

Abolish all copyright. We're all happily pirating movies and music but code is for some reason sacred.

> We're all happily pirating movies and music but code is for some reason sacred.

Speak for yourself. I pay multiple streaming services, music and video, because I prefer creators be able to eat.

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