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Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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Some people dislike interacting with the HN community for one reason or another. I imagine that's the case here. This person definitely isn't the only one. Getting a post or tweet picked up by a large community who doesn't see your stuff regularly can be a lot more stressful than speaking directly to your audience (in this case, direct Twitter followers) who have a lot more context on your work.

In this case, there’s no need to imagine. Their latest Tweet has the answer.

I can only see 1 comment in this thread that uses "he" to refer to a person, and it refers to a different person, so I'm not sure I follow.

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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Wow, Factorio is approaching Full Time Job levels of detail and work required to keep everything running. Incredible game that I will never play, I feel I’m back at my job!

This is a mod that seems extremely boring and tedious. The base game is not like this.

It definitely can be. I don’t think it needs to be as long as it is. With 5 space science categories, each with 4 tiers, and each tier requiring 4 unique data cards with one common ingredient and one catalog recipe for the tier, one insight per category, there are ~125 intermediate products to manufacture that don’t really pose any new interesting logistical challenges. For example, once you set up iridium processing, the 20 intermediates you need to manufacture to finish all 4 tiers of materials science are pretty straightforward. Sure, dealing with the scrap generated in the process of making those intermediaries is a logistical challenge that becomes harder the deeper you progress, but they probably could have presented that logistic challenge without requiring you to set up production for 25 separate products — most of which are ONLY useful for making materials science packs.

I have really enjoyed the puzzles it has posed in the form of circuit network logic for automating rockets and spaceships. The issue described in TFA is just the tip of the iceberg. My factory has deadlocked in a number of interesting and unique ways over the course of the 600 hours I’ve played thus far. I’ve enjoyed the mod. It has some very interesting ideas and challenges. It’s a shame those puzzles are hidden behind so much slog.

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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It was deleted because it was posted here.

Why is discussion on a different website so distressing? Are there people from HN harassing you on twitter?

It’s trendy to hate HN by some on Twitter.

*edit to provide context. this isn’t unique to twitter/hn. it’s trendy on reddit to hate tiktok and instagram. it’s trendy on 4chan to hate reddit.

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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I want to reinforce your plan. Somehow I played factorio for a few hundred hours before finding online communities and blueprints. It was a wonderful experience of discovery and exploration. I came up with a few "novel" designs during that time that I'm still proud of. Once comparing my own work to the best online it took a lot of joy out of the game. But I found that the memory was short lived, once I cut myself off…

I've heard this story repeated many times now and I'm glad to hear people are able to get back into it after having the joy sucked out. I think next time I play I will refuse to use a "main bus" until much later in the game if at all. That was the one of the biggest joy-killers, trying to plan for a mega-base essentially from the very start. It's not fun to plan out your bus and leave lots of room for red/blue circui…

> I think next time I play I will refuse to use a "main bus" until much later in the game if at all.

I mostly played through without any internet advice until I shared with a friend who did use internet advice and the main bus was his advice. Thankfully I already had a base so I tried this for a specific process/product (rockets ofc but still). I think a lot of “late game” stuff by experienced players will likely converge towards a bus since you’ll be already learned scale and order by then, but maybe with less precision in layout. The problem is that you can’t un-see it once you start building with it once.

I agree that fuck perfect from the start, build at the right scale at the right time. It’s way more fun. Conversely, if you like multiplayer games, this is a game where it’s really fun to play with people who are new. You can use their naïveté to override your knowledge or build completely different looking based each time. It’s fun to guide them through rediscovery (eg wtf why did all the trains dead lock!)

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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>I wonder why would US & Canada go a different way with regards to so many small things (think turn signals on cars being red for american cars as another example)? In many cases the US were the first to mass-manufacture things to some kind of standard, so the question is really: why did the rest of the world choose a different standard. Often they have a good reason (better design, maybe), but the US also has a good…

And standards don't adapt? To me this feels wrong and backwards

Indeed, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.

Why doesn't the rest of the world (outside the US) have a 3rd middle brake light (CHMSL), as was mandated in the US in 1986?

My guess is because, despite measurements of ~22% crash avoidance at the time, that number turned out to be between 0% and 4% in practice. Maybe the rest of the world didn't care about 4%, or maybe they thought it was as stupid then as it turned out to be.

But the CHMSL standard in the US has refused to die.

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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post #224

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Some people dislike interacting with the HN community for one reason or another. I imagine that's the case here. This person definitely isn't the only one. Getting a post or tweet picked up by a large community who doesn't see your stuff regularly can be a lot more stressful than speaking directly to your audience (in this case, direct Twitter followers) who have a lot more context on your work.

In this case, there’s no need to imagine. Their latest Tweet has the answer.

It seems to be about misgendering on HN?

I never understood why it's such a big deal. When people guess wrong about my gender, ethnicity, preferred spoken language, etc, I correct them.

I guess if they were to argue with me about the correction and insist their guess was right, that would get old fast and I'd be as frustrated as foone.

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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Why is discussion on a different website so distressing? Are there people from HN harassing you on twitter?

It’s trendy to hate HN by some on Twitter. *edit to provide context. this isn’t unique to twitter/hn. it’s trendy on reddit to hate tiktok and instagram. it’s trendy on 4chan to hate reddit.

Sure, except in this case foone has explained exactly why they dislike their stuff showing up on HN.

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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One dev said in one post that they like Uncle Bob. I think that’s it.

Well, that and a number of follow-up comments from the same developer, such as this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/o2ly6f/friday_fac... A lot of people have (understandably) lost patience with the "just asking questions" style of rhetoric, and don't appreciate others making excuses for it.

I don't get what's bad or "anti-trans" in this post?

Re: Never trust a system that seems to be working

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post #238

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It’s trendy to hate HN by some on Twitter. *edit to provide context. this isn’t unique to twitter/hn. it’s trendy on reddit to hate tiktok and instagram. it’s trendy on 4chan to hate reddit.

Sure, except in this case foone has explained exactly why they dislike their stuff showing up on HN.

i edited my comment to provide a little more context but just because someone provides reasons doesn’t mean it’s not influenced by the trend. reddit’s trend to dislike tiktok has valid points but it’s also fueled by the trend. i’ve criticized hn here on hn so this isn’t me trying to defend the site.
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